Gibson Settlement ("illegal" imports)

TheKingofPain · **Posted:** Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:03 am

Likely to be fashioned into clubs to beat people with. Fancy! Seriously, though. What a bunch of BS. :twisted:

TheKingofPain · **Posted:** Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:12 am

The Word and the Breath wrote:

TheKingofPain wrote:

Likely to be fashioned into clubs to beat people with. Fancy! Seriously, though. What a bunch of BS. :twisted:

Funny, but you know what? The government is not even that efficient. I seriously bet you that the Government gets its clubs imported from China (for $2,799.00 a club) and the Government will literally burn or destroy or trash this valuable rosewood and ebony.

THAT would not surprise me.

KidBlast · **Joined:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:47 am **Posts:** 1256

Kinda funny how Gibson (being a "Red" state, where obvious leanings and political contributions would be towards a GOP candidate) was then only company involved here, where as other manufactures, (oh lets say, that are HQ'd in a more "Blue" state such as -- oh I dunno, California,,,) were not even asked the same question never mind raided and they CLEARLY use the same "sort" of materials? Weird?? no?? ya think?? Just sayin..

(There was an article back this winter, the author had numbers to back this theory up too.)

TheKingofPain · **Posted:** Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:44 am

KidBlast wrote:

Kinda funny how Gibson (being a "Red" state, where obvious leanings and political contributions would be towards a GOP candidate) was then only company involved here, where as other manufactures, (oh lets say, that are HQ'd in a more "Blue" state such as -- oh I dunno, California,,,) were not even asked the same question never mind raided and they CLEARLY use the same "sort" of materials? Weird?? no?? ya think?? Just sayin..

(There was an article back this winter, the author had numbers to back this theory up too.)

Red or Blue. Talk about an illusion of choice. :lol:

When rosewood is outlawed, only outlaws will play on rosewood fretboards... :wink:

tvr1979 · **Joined:** Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:15 pm **Posts:** 603

Glad Gibson got caught! Never a fan of their overrated products. The ones made overseas by anyone are fine for most everyone's ability . Same can be said for Fender. Their products aren't worth the loss of any proportion of the world's forests. I'll piss off a lot of people on this site, but an electric guitar can be made of any solid material and 95% of the people that buy them don't really have the talent for anything better, and their listeners will agree with me.

TheKingofPain · **Posted:** Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:37 pm

tvr1979 wrote:

Glad Gibson got caught! Never a fan of their overrated products. The ones made overseas by anyone are fine for most everyone's ability . Same can be said for Fender. Their products aren't worth the loss of any proportion of the world's forests. I'll piss off a lot of people on this site, but an electric guitar can be made of any solid material and 95% of the people that buy them don't really have the talent for anything better, and their listeners will agree with me.

So is it guitars made of exotic wood that bothers you, or guitars made in the US? Maybe we should make guitars from dried bullsh*t. There seems to be plenty of that going around.

Drew365 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:47 pm

TheKingofPain wrote:

So is it guitars made of exotic wood that bothers you, or guitars made in the US? Maybe we should make guitars from dried bullsh*t. There seems to be plenty of that going around.

I believe the technical term might be Baked Resonated Bullsh*t. Then we can argue over whether Texas bulls or Mexican bulls have the better tone. :lol:

Gibson got singled out because they filed paperwork with the government that seemed to hide what they were importing, and the deception was the motivating factor. I think this was a bad move by the government.

Martian · **Posted:** Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:57 pm

It's not even a slap on the wrists. Granted, Gibson cranks out beautiful instruments for the most part but what it costs for them to build them vs. what they get in profits returns, Gibson won't even feel it. Regardless, the customer is going to wind up paying the fine, not Gibson.

As always, this is merely IMO where YMMV.

T2Stratman · **Posted:** Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:06 pm

Yes...purely political...Martin uses far more rosewood and ebony than any other guitar manufacturer, but ol Chris Martin is a big Democrat contributer, hence thier free pass on this. The current administration (and the DOJ) is TOTALLY corrupt and bankrupt of real American Morales.

It is total shame what our government is doing across the board, from choosing to not deport illegal aliens (who are criminals by the fact they are here illegally) to what the GSA has been doing living high on the hog with our tax dollars, to sueing states to NOT enforce laws, to blowing TRILLIONS on government handouts that we can ill afford. There is a huge politization of everything in this country by this administration and it is NOT by accident, it is by design...Hope and Change my arse. The Dems are TOTALLY to blame for the economic mess we are in as this all started when Chris Dodd and Barney Frank turned a blind eye on thier duties as Congressmen to oversea the banks and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Just shameful.

T2

63supro · **Joined:** Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:19 pm **Posts:** 8827

Martin has been using more and more Black Richlite for its fingerboards and bridges and moving away from Rosewood and Ebony. Also it's woods and even the wood pulp used in the Richlite boards are FSC certified. I'm not saying it's not politically motivated, but I really don't think that the politicians are really all that worried about Gibson or Martin. I think they would get way bigger contributions from bigger corporations. In the grand scheme of things, Fender is a much bigger manufacturer than Martin and Gibson. There's rules involved with the import and export of wood and Gibson got sloppy. I own Gibson, Fender and Martin guitars. MY 60's LP Tribute was made before Gibson started using baked Maple and Richlite. I also like the Richlite boards. They have the look and feel of Ebony, are durable, and play great. Supposedly if the boards were manufactured overseas, it would have been fine. I would start looking across the ocean. Fender and a many other companies would have more to gain than a political party, and besides, seeing American jobs lost wouldn't be in their best interest of either party.

KidBlast · **Joined:** Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:47 am **Posts:** 1256

tvr1979 wrote:

Glad Gibson got caught! Never a fan of their overrated products. The ones made overseas by anyone are fine for most everyone's ability . Same can be said for Fender. Their products aren't worth the loss of any proportion of the world's forests. I'll piss off a lot of people on this site, but an electric guitar can be made of any solid material and 95% of the people that buy them don't really have the talent for anything better, and their listeners will agree with me.

what on EARTH makes you think Gibson is the only one liable here?

TheKingofPain · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:39 am

Drew365 wrote:

TheKingofPain wrote:

So is it guitars made of exotic wood that bothers you, or guitars made in the US? Maybe we should make guitars from dried bullsh*t. There seems to be plenty of that going around.

I believe the technical term might be Baked Resonated Bullsh*t. Then we can argue over whether Texas bulls or Mexican bulls have the better tone. :lol:

I laughed so loud when I read this. It's so funny because it's true. :lol:

Quote:

Gibson got singled out because they filed paperwork with the government that seemed to hide what they were importing, and the deception was the motivating factor. I think this was a bad move by the government.

Agreed. Then again, I think just about any move by government is a bad one.

We could get into the nitty gritty of property rights and how, if I plant a tree on my land how some think that it belongs to "the world" and it's not mine to harvest and sell. That would just be silly.

In the end, as another poster points out here. Any fines or increased costs that Gibson or any other manufacturer gets smacked due to this will be paid by their customers. People who don't get that also don't understand the argument about the corporate tax, either. Taxing just increases the price of the goods they sell until the market will no longer bear their sale. It hits the end consumer first and hardest.

Some posters in this forum are cool with that. Like the guy above who thinks people should all be forced to play Squiers. Ideas so good they have to be mandatory. :lol:

somebizarredude · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:38 am

tvr1979 wrote:

Glad Gibson got caught! Never a fan of their overrated products. The ones made overseas by anyone are fine for most everyone's ability . Same can be said for Fender. Their products aren't worth the loss of any proportion of the world's forests. I'll piss off a lot of people on this site, but an electric guitar can be made of any solid material and 95% of the people that buy them don't really have the talent for anything better, and their listeners will agree with me.

the "overseas" guitars are made of the "world's forests" also :roll:

but the importation of illegal species is not regulated the way it should be overseas.
so more "overseas" guitars contain illegally imported woods.

the only guitar that sounds decent that's made of alternative materials is flaxwood, and it is even made of liquified spruce :lol:

they use spruce because its a highly available in the area and a renewable source.
you are aware that Wood is a renewable source rite?

Ile bet your the kind of person that preaches against eating meat while wearing fine leather shoes :lol:

somebizarredude · **Posted:** Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:16 am

The Word and the Breath wrote:

What are hockey sticks made of?

Orange plastic :lol:

that's what the only hockey stick I ever had was made of anyways.
I am positive its in a landfill taking up space by now :mrgreen:

Andybighair · **Joined:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am **Posts:** 2175

Hi Word and the Breath (or Violin Parent or Skirt so Plain or any of the many other user names you've used over the past year or so)

Why do you keep asking for the advice and opinions of forum users, only to delete your account a few weeks later?

Kind of takes the pee an little don't you think?

Andy

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