Truth *is* sometimes stranger than fiction I guess.

However, that's no excuse for being rude.

Go ahead, debunk the info.

Otherwise, your witless derogatory remarks show you've got nothing to argue.

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Personally I'm quite happy with our gun laws here in the UK, but I'm not gonna argue that the US needs to change theirs, I don't live there thats up to you guys that live there.

But RCB if you think this was set up to get support for gun restrictions....then I guess it hasn't worked...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18980974

A car can and has been used as a weapon. So the solution cannot be entirely gun control laws.

Unfortunately I believe there is an element of the law of large numbers. If only 0.000001% of the population is capable of such behaviour, given a large population, 300 million, results in a large number of potential problems.

Punishment for these 0.0000001% probably doesn't factor into the equation. These nuts probably weren't thinking "I'll go the prison for this" or maybe were thinking "I may die for this, and that's ok."

Obviously some sort for brain / thinking / behavioural problem. It will be interesting if some hints as to why and otherwise successful, high performing person could execute such an heinous act.

My deepest sympathy and condolences for the families, friends and neighbours of those involved.

To be fair though the cars primary purpose isn't to kill or injure whatever you point it at, unlike a gun.

But at the same time I won't argue with your main point, it is impossible to fight or control anyone who isn't afraid to die or go to prison. There is only so much you can do.

I Didn't intend to seem like I was attacking you, that wasn't my intent.
I am just trying to point out that you sound a tad nutty
and your correct, I have no argument. because its kind of ridiculous

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Given that your premise is true, where's the intervention to expose and destroy it. An internet web page...and then what? You don't see Haliburton going down in flames. That's about as close, in reality, as your going to get to the kind of stuff you're alluding to, and we're talking about the Vice-President of the United States here.

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I live in a country with strict gun control, and while our crime rates, and guns deaths are relatively very low in comparison, they still do happen. Last week was a particularly bad week in Toronto.

I believe gun control could reduce violent crime rates over time but not eliminate them, but this is obviously not on the table in the US, and of course that is their choice. Neither the President nor Romny would risk even uttering the words or go anywhere near the topic.

If there were no guns or knives anywhere on the face of the earth this sort of thing would still happen, just in different ways.

Please keep it civil folks.

The title of this forum is:

The Fender Lounge
This forum is for open public discussion of all things Fender and general music-related subjects.

The moderators are really being very cool by allowing this kind of discussion here, if we don't keep it civil, that might change.

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Iv'e lurked on this subject up until now...
I'm not going to debate the Right to Bear Arms but I would like to address a point which hasn't entered the discussion.

The Disassociation of Reality versus Fiction in our society. I'm referring to the US since this is where I live. The predominance of violent programing, so called entertainment in the PlayStation/X-Box, in the reenactment of military engagements is cause for concern and should be part of the question....

What effect does this really have on what is up to age 25 a still developing mind......
I'm not comparing Radical middle eastern and Asian methodology but the parallels are there as far as programing...

WE do not live in a society that is on the knife's edge of being overturned by radicals...

Sorry RCB but your Copy and Paste of perceived conspiracies are just delusional.

I will agree that we have quite a large Law enforcement and military organization, however, they do respond quite well to perceived threats and the fear that we are going to live thru a scenario like the film " Red Dawn " is just fantasy.....And that is where I think the problem lies..
Fantasy versus Reality.....

Anyone more eloquent care to expand on this question.... With their own thoughts Please not Copy and Paste Drivel...

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53 Magnatone...good points all.

Ceri, did I read that right? That the death penalty for this individual is not the way to go and it does not serve to deter people from committing these type of crimes? You missed the point, the punishment is NOT a deterant to anyone other than the individual, and is used to ENSURE he never gets the opportunity to do it again. Maybe it should be likened to putting down a dog that kills chickens on the farm...once the dog kills one, they continue the practice. Harsh? Yes, but totally effective on said dog. If I have misread what you were saying or getting at let me know...no harm no foul. (No pun intended)

T2

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I certainly don't know whether I'm fit or not to wear the pants in the eloquence department, however, I'll give it a try.

My esteemed colleague, with whom I have shared many a public and private word over these many years, has given me pause to range back over my nearly 70 years to the time in my early 'yute' when we would play the arcade games in the amusement parks at Coney Island and Rockaway's Playland. Though mechanical in nature, or of some rudimentary electronic configuration, we were either sinking ships with torpedoes, shooting down enemy aircraft, shooting at moving ducks, or wild animals whilst on safari, or firing at enemy soldiers or other types of military craft. The point being that, there is definitely a thread of the fantasy satisfaction of committing mayhem inherently playing through the human condition.

Technology, and the creative minds underlying same, have fast-forwarded the materiel for satisfying our seemingly insatiable appetites for same with a tremendous catalog of death and destruction progams, not to mention, in the modern incarnations of the relative harmless 'hide and seek', flesh games such as paint-ball and laser tag in which one can document a 'kill'. My memories fo the Friday nite fights from MSG, and Tuesday nite 'professional' wrestling from Sunnyside Gardens have now morphed into the MMA, adding just a touch of mayhem to the traditional leisure-time empty handed combat. With regard to the latter, I've often wondered how many of these armchair combatants, in real time, are among the throng the anti-war protesters who have taken positions against this nation's armed interventions overseas. Seems to me that war and killing should be abhorent whether on the screen, or facing live ammunition on the line.

The end-product of all of this, distilled down to its essence, is that [according to behavioral scientists] a conditioning process ,beginning with the very young, blurs the interface between reality and fantasy and, nurtured in the soup of a psychosociopathological personality, dulls the senses, erases the line between right and wrong, and culminates in the kind of events we witnessed last week, and too many times before.

Thus, I bring you back to the the singular question I've put before: 'How much shedding of innocent blood is the greater society willing to endure to ensure the freedoms we wish to preserve?' Accepting the argument than controls on these devices of murder and mayhem are not the answer, then we will have to come to grips with the aforementioned.

Doc

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What is there to debunk?
The video has the word "Proof" right in the title but it contains no proof that is specific to the Aurora incident. All he says is that it "fits the mo" and "has all the earmarks" of other indicents he claims are staged by the government. It has not been established at all that the Aurora incident was staged, as you claim.

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In the past, Brad has been very tolerant of our exchanging opinions on relevant issue outside of music. We have had some serious donneybrooks in the past. In any case, one cannot argue against a call for civility in these matters.

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RCB is of the mind that it has. We are simply obliged to mark time and see how this all plays out across the millenium. In the mean time...'life continues to be like trying to tread water in a cesspool while some mindless primitive runs circles around you in motorboat, making waves."

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I think Doc did a good job addressing this issue. I believe modern technology and entertainment has caused a lot of the youger generation to have a blurred line between fiction and reality. I'd like to add Rap Video's to the list.
There's no way this stuff doesn't affect a kids take on what the real world is like, since they have little other positive stimulus. Yeah, some of the smart ones shake it off and develop normally. What about the rest?

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