we do have long prison sentences but that's part of the problem. apparently prison here is not hard enough. and unfortunately we have people that think these prisoners have rites and should be treated fairly. they gave up those rights when they chose to break the law. to allot of people prison is better than their situation prior to the crime so there is no punishment their. that's why it doesn't work and they stay in so long.
and last time i checked Colorado still killed people, i will have to research that though.

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[quote="Ceri]...500 years ago in Britian we did indeed occasionally use the horrifying punishment that ZZDoc mentioned earlier. And yet that didn't seem to discourage people from committing crimes either. So, what to do?
I have questions, not answers. Cheers - C[/quote]
Not so horrifying. It's the best they had at the time. IMHO it's purpose was not to deter by virtue of its rigor, but to reward. It's what you got if you did the deed.

"Revenge is a dish best served cold", and I'm all for that. This guy's got a track record for being a rather brilliant individual academically. He planned a meticulous crime with a backup plan to book. He scored a 50% hit average during the attack which is better than most combat/law enforcement personnel. and now he's looking shell-shocked on camera. Either he's just gone bipolar in his second decade or he's had a great acting coach.

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[quote="Ceri]...500 years ago in Britian we did indeed occasionally use the horrifying punishment that ZZDoc mentioned earlier. And yet that didn't seem to discourage people from committing crimes either. So, what to do?
I have questions, not answers. Cheers - C [/quote]

Not so horrifying. It's the best they had at the time. IMHO it's purpose was not to deter by virtue of its rigor, but to reward. It's what you got if you did the deed.

"Revenge is a dish best served cold", and I'm all for that. This guy's got a track record for being a rather brilliant individual academically. He planned a meticulous crime with a backup plan to boot. He scored a 50% hit average during the attack which is better than most combat/law enforcement personnel. and now he's looking shell-shocked on camera. Either he's just gone bipolar in his second decade or he's had a great acting coach.

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Ah well, horrifying to me. Interestingly, most of that stuff wasn't around for very long. In Pulp Fiction the fella says; "I'm going to get medieval on your arse", but in reality there was no torture in the medieval justice system. It was brought in for a while during the sixteenth century, could only be authorised by the Star Chamber, and was got rid of again quite soon - essentially because it didn't work. Hanging, drawing and quartering, which you cited, was for treason and as such was an Elizabethan political device rather than a sentence in the regular court system.

The historian Ian Mortimer has just brought out a readable if eye-watering book on this stuff, which I have open on my knee at this moment. Not for the feint hearted, that's for sure. Though the extreme bits get exaggerated out of proportion they did indeed use a lot of abrupt and brutal punishments. And yet, to the extent it can be judged, they had an awful lot more crime, not less. Which is thought provoking.



Yeah, I saw that too. He looked very spaced out - though who knows, that could just be lack of sleep. Probably not from conscience, I suppose. Hard to imagine what's going on inside that head, now or over previous months.

Cheers - C

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I am still amazed that people do these things, sure i hate people and have violent thoughts. but i have never actually wanted to kill someone, especially a group of total strangers.

you can take all the guns and body armor away and they will still make bombs or poison




on a side note I feel they should allow the families of the victims to directly decide his fate.
or better yet tie him to a wall one let each one throw a knife at his $@!

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Ceri, I disagree, I think some where dancing around the issue a bit. Just my opinion, especially when folks are dismayed that you can legally buy the weapons this guy bought. The dancing was implied (IMHO).

I bear no ill will to anyones opinion, just don't put out there that our Second Amendment is up for debate...quite frankly it is there for very good reason and would be nearly impossible to throw out. Our forefathers were smart and rightfully so they were afraid of governments taking over peoples lives, those guys fully understood what an oppressive government can do...of course they also had morales back then and this is something that is sorely lacking in general today in our society.

As for what can be done to keep people safe? Nothing. No one can stop a nutjob from committing these type of crimes. I wonder why people think there is something that can be done to prevent someone from going over the edge...you can't, harsh as that may be it is reality. Life is never fair, and it is not promised to be...we have to play the cards we are dealt, good or bad. I try to be a bit of an optimist and think people for the most part are good, but there will always be an element of evil criminals amoungst us. We as a society need to hold them accountable for thier actions. I am sure this guy will be, he may even recieve the ultimate penalty for his actions.

I have enjoyed the spirited debate, and although my views may be a bit old school, everyones opinion here is valid to some extent (even you fuzzyscot, no malice here and I welcome you to our nation) but in this case I think the forefathers of this country got it right and we should take time to reflect on that as well as say a prayer for those who lost loved ones.

T2

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t2 i agree with you last comment,prayers and condolences are with the victims and relitives of all these tragedys.enough said peace out.

Okay. So far we've established that the Aurora incident is yet another false-flag terror operation meant to further destabilize the US. It's more trauma based propaganda meant to frighten people into giving up their right to bear arms.

We've established that the right to bear arms is rooted in the knowledge that a well armed society can't be oppressed.

Since the "government" needs to orchestrate false-flag terror acts to trick people into giving up their right to bear arms to oppress them (cram unconstitutional banking and war and healthcare schemes down our throats), this means there is no arms problem, it's a tyranny problem.

...we've established that we're besieged by tyrannical oppression. Now what do we do?

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To make light of this situation for the benifit of preaching your politic views shows moral fiber of what should be in the sewer .... You should be banned for such a callous innapropriate politicley motivated low life comment.....And that's what i wrote when i just reported you.....And i've never reported anyone......

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You are going way too far with this.

no cheers

David

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"Humans think they are smarter than dolphins because we build cars and buildings and start wars etc...and all that dolphins do is swim in the water, eat fish and play around. Dolphins believe that they are smarter for exactly the same reasons."

i detailed in a post on the first page how and why this stuff can be brought legally.

on a vaguely related note, and not wishing to trivialise anything, the sport i referred to in that post, airsoft, was in much the same way in the UK as the US right to bear arms, except they're toys.

various groups called for a ban on 'imitation firearms' in the UK because they could be used to fool people while robbing, mugging etc. these same groups also made up loads of rubbish lies like plastic toy guns could be converted to fire real ammo, but thats not my point.

my point is that the ban was to be blanket, stopping law abiding hobbyists, re-enactors etc from pursuing their hobby, in an attempt to stop 'bad people' using the toy guns to their advantage. problem is 'bad people' dont give a $@!& about the rules, and if they wanted to get a gun, toy or not, they were going to. so said ban would only affect law abiding hobbyists and enthusiasts, which totally sidesteps the point of the ban.

i guess in the US it would be the same. a ban would be useless, given the sheer number of weapons currently in ciruclation. law abiding gun owners would hand them in, get them deactivated etc. while nutters like the $@!&# who did this shooting, 'gangstas' and other general lowlifes would still have no trouble getting them. again, sidestepping the point of any ban.

i feel the US is in a catch 22 as far as gun law goes. if they ban/heavily control it, it simply means people who dont misuse firearms get a raw deal, and less protection for themselves against people who will flout the ban. if they arent banned, things like this shooting will keep happening.

and even to me, a non US resident, i know that any president who suggests altering gun control is opening his own exit from the white house.

Renew your prescription for Lexapro and double the dose

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Looked like a catatonic state, I wonder if there are neuroleptics involved. It's not Zyprexa, must be something else.

And a word to "RCB-CA-USA": I think you should really consider seeing your doctor. Take more of the good pills and smoke less of the stuff you smoke. You're totally off.

Cheers

David

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"Humans think they are smarter than dolphins because we build cars and buildings and start wars etc...and all that dolphins do is swim in the water, eat fish and play around. Dolphins believe that they are smarter for exactly the same reasons."

There's nothing public as yet about his being maintained on any pharmacotherapy for any reason. That his academic degree and PhD pathways were in neuroscience I find most interesting.

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there is definitely something wrong with ya man How many times did you watch that Zeitgeist film? Not everything is a conspiracy, sometimes people are just F&^#ed in the head........
Honestly, do you really think someone offered this guy something he couldn't resist to do this? death or prison doesn't sound like payment to me........

you might consider leaving california..... I think its affecting your mind

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