RCB...The date and references you post are always referring to past and really Past history....
70 years ago for the height of the Nazi Party...and as far that argument, I believe you are quite misinformed....Yes.... Switzerland was not on the crosshairs, but that had more to do with the fact that.....

(1) They did not possess a strong Air/Sea/Land Military unlike France, England, Russia.
(2) Switzerland has always strived to be a neutral party in the many conflicts that have raged throughout Europe.
(3) New York City has a larger population than the entire country of Switzerland.
(4) They were not a strategic location....( 1939 )
(5) They do not have a Professional Military Organization compared to the US Armed Forces
(6) Amerigo proved points I need not refute...

We are getting even further offtrack here, but I will say this...My family is from Southern Europe and I can assure you I know my history when it comes to this subject of Nazi occupation as my grandmother, Aunt and Mother lived thru it. So I have it pretty much on first hand accounts as to what it was like, I also studied it in school and your argument based on the events of 70+ years ago is woefully inaccurate.

As for the right to bear arms...The focus of the argument is about Gun control..in the sense that there is no logical reason for private individuals to have Military armament.
Automatic weapons fall into that category of being military grade weaponry.
I don't have a problem with someone owning firearms, I have a problem with the ease of private consumers to buy military grade assault weapons...That to me is not gun control but rather a lack thereof and I'm sure that if you check.. You'll be amazed at the number of lobbyist in Washington arguing the favorable points to their own agenda.

BTW if you are going to argue on the Constitution's 2nd amendment...I take it you don't consider it a living document which must be understood respective to the present times, which is 2012, 21st Century not 1770.

A few things have changed since......based on technology....Did you follow the Arab Spring and the power of Twits ( not the british term either ) not to say that it has wonderfully transformed the region, far from it but it did illustrate what technology can do, that is to mobilize an entire population with just a keystroke....That in itself is much more powerful than an arsenal of weapons stashed in your basement....Not to mention how much can you actually carry and still be fleet of foot...

With that I would like to return to ZZ-doc's thread subject as I think I have certainly gotten offtrack....Happy Copy and Paste.....

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A weapon being semi auto does not make it a assault weapon! A Ruger 10/22 which is semi auto! Politicians have people believing anything that is made to look like a military weapon is a military weapon. AR15 and a M16 look the same and are made the same quality but the AR15 does not have 3 round burst and full auto capability. My Ruger Mini 14 is a rifle and has the same round (5.62 )and capability as a Colt AR15 just don't look the same. My Browning 308 that I also use hunting is semi auto and is in fact more powerful then a Colt AR15/M16

I have a safe full of weapons that could do more then a AR15 but they don't look like military weapons. Put a pistol grip and high cap mag on some you got an assault weapon or what people want to call them. It' ridiculous! What next semi auto shotguns?

This is a society problem not a gun type problem?

53M The Constitution is not a living breathing document for those to reinterpret as they like and yes technology has changed but not the meaning of the Constitution. That is why there is a way designed to make constitutional amendments and not invent new meaning for those written just to suit a groups beliefs.

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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

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sorry to stay off the original topic..... but here is another situation where a civilians firearm saved the day.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07 ... store?lite

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CV you missed my point..As far as your cache not being designed as assault weapons, well that's splitting hairs as those weapons were certainly not designed initially as sport target shooting or hunting ( at least not animals ).

As far as the constitution not being reinterpreted...Well you'd better have a chat with the US Supreme Court Justices....

And Yes, it is both a Societal as well as a Firearm problem, to say it is not is dismissing half of the argument. Quite convenient to dismiss opposing views during an argument....

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well technically the mini 14 is based on the M14/ M1 garand/ and m1 carbine, all military rifles.... but it was re designed as a civilian rifle so it is considered a sporting ranch rifle.
but all civilian guns are based on military arms....

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I quoted the statements of our founding fathers to establish the intent of their statements to bear arms *and* form a malitia. So, what you are saying is; since the US Constitution was written hundreds of years ago it is moot? Our rights have de-evolved into slavery due to a long lapse time? Our freedoms don't matter because the constitution is old???



"Why did Hitler not invade Switzerland or Liechtenstein, but invaded Luxembourg and Norway, despite both countries being neutral in the war?

The Swiss had guaranteed Liechtenstein's neutrality and independence, and had mobilized some half million troops to defend themselves. The natural defenses presented by the Alps made the prospect of invasion daunting, to say the least, and the Swiss plan of defense called for a fighting retreat and war of attrition, much like that employed successfully by Stalin and the Red Army in the first months of Barbarossa, with the final stands to be made in heavily fortified and staunchly defended reduits (akin to Stalin's bastions at Stalingrad, Leningrad and Moscow). With Barbarossa imminent, Hitler did not want to waste the time, expense and manpower that would have been necessary to attack such a formidable target of such minor consequence. Additionally, the Swiss made numerous economic concessions to Berlin to buy their neutrality. The Swiss proved themselves a worthy ally, at least in the air, by shooting down innumerable German and Allied aircraft that violated Swiss airspace and those lessons were not unheeded by either side. Switzerland was a hot bed of war activity, especially espionage, throughout the war and it was handy to have a neutral enclave in the middle of the Reich. Finally, even though Prescott Bush (father of George HW and grandfather of George W) continued to be a leading banker for the Nazis in the US until finally stopped (after the first US troops had come under fire in North Africa in November 1942) when assets were seized/frozen under the Trading With the Enemy Act, the Swiss banks were vital to Nazi financial and economic safety and stability (not to mention a useful place for NSDAP party official and Nazi and Wehrmacht officers to stash loot taken as 'spoils of war'."

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must not have an opinon must not have an opinonmust not have an opinon.dont bite dont bite......................BREATHE...ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
ok think it has past,wish i had a smilie with a zip on the mouth.

My Mini 14 is a hunting rifle and my BAR308 is as well a hunting rifle thats not splitting hairs they can do anything a AR15 can do and the BAR308 can do better in the way of power. As stated all weapons have evolved through military experience as well as hunting. What is the definition of an assault weapon? It's what ever politicians want to label so they can regulate. Big clip and pistol grip it must be an assault weapon!
A nut in a theater could have done as much damage with a semi auto shotgun or a Model96 Beretta handgun. Blame the nut! Put him down you won't have to worry about that one again. Some not all nuts may think about that in the future!
And your statement about the Supreme court is the problem with the court and why you have court watchers waiting to see who gets nominated. Liberal, Conservative politicians want to legislate from the bench. They want to nominate individuals to twist the meaning of the Constitution in there favor. Holmes started the living breathing interpretation which has become way to political. The court should enforce the true meaning of the constitution and if politicians want to change something then the legislature should do so by way of amendments as it was design. The problem is they no they can not make amendments without large popular support so its easier to appoint a justice who will twist previous written word to suit the Executive branch (controlling party) which is why so many worry over who the President nominates. Roosevelt attempted to add justice's just to pack the court with his cronies and help with polices. A true court should be separated from politics and guard people from unconstitutional laws and enforcement of such as written in the Constitution.

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Overwhelming Evidence Mounts Indicating Colorado Shooting Staged
http://www.infowars.com/overwhelming-evidence-mounts-indicating-colorado-shooting-staged/

"...Holmes’ Psychiatrist Worked for Pentagon

New damning details on the Colorado shooting now surface on a daily basis. The latest is that the highest honors neuroscience student James Holmes was seeing a psychiatrist. Holmes was a patient of Dr. Lynne Fenton at the University of Colorado. Fenton worked for the Air Force in Texas and was known for dispensing dangerous pharmaceutical drugs, according to the Washington Post.

The doctor’s background came to light after the corporate media reported Holmes allegedly mailed a notebook "full of details about how he was going to kill people" to her before the attack. “Among the images shown in the spiral-bound notebook’s pages were gun-wielding stick figures blowing away other stick figures,” Fox News reported. This is an obvious attempt to hastily arrange a backstory on Holmes and portray him as a murderous psychopath. It is a key element in the narrative portraying him as a lone wolf, which is the preferred government story when it conducts false flag operations for political gain and to manipulate public opinion..."

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...wakey wakey.....Wacky..Wacky

I think you should check your tracking weight or maybe your stylus is warn down [/quote]

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Ok!

Thank you!

Weight: Checked and correct.

Stylus: Brand new, non-defective, and functioning purrrfectly!

You might want to have your glasses checked, and then re-read the whole article! I'm shocked by what I am reading too, but the facts are verifiable!

This is a humongous tragedy:

Overwhelming Evidence Mounts Indicating Colorado Shooting Staged
http://www.infowars.com/overwhelming-evidence-mounts-indicating-colorado-shooting-staged/

"...Holmes’ Psychiatrist Worked for Pentagon

New damning details on the Colorado shooting now surface on a daily basis. The latest is that the highest honors neuroscience student James Holmes was seeing a psychiatrist. Holmes was a patient of Dr. Lynne Fenton at the University of Colorado. Fenton worked for the Air Force in Texas and was known for dispensing dangerous pharmaceutical drugs, according to the Washington Post.

The doctor’s background came to light after the corporate media reported Holmes allegedly mailed a notebook "full of details about how he was going to kill people" to her before the attack. “Among the images shown in the spiral-bound notebook’s pages were gun-wielding stick figures blowing away other stick figures,” Fox News reported. This is an obvious attempt to hastily arrange a backstory on Holmes and portray him as a murderous psychopath. It is a key element in the narrative portraying him as a lone wolf, which is the preferred government story when it conducts false flag operations for political gain and to manipulate public opinion..."

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"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst." J. Edgar Hoover