Also I appreciate the thought that people have that having weapons can protect them against an oppressive government, however I'm highly sceptical that an unorganised newly formed group of citizens would be able to resist a highly trained experienced national army if it came down to it.

...it's how our country was formed. We won our independence by defeating a well organized, well funded, well trained, well armed tyrannical army that seemed impossible to defeat -- we'll do it again if we need to.

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Yes but back then the weaponry used was very primitive compared today, much more of a level playing field. You think your machine guns will be much use when they have jets capable of dropping bombs into an air vent if they want to?

My thinking is...there's no war if nobody shows up. Let them bring the war to what, our door steps??? I guess so.

It'll establish their motives, that's for sure. While we're all busy working on being healthy and productive, what...they'll be busy terrorizing us with false flag wars, fraudulent bank bail outs, un-constitutional healthcare, gmo foods, forced immunizations, and threats of taking away our right to bear arms so what...they can oppress us with excessive taxes, oppressive regulations, and toxins???

...no thank you. I'll pass. I'm keeping my right to bear arms. I am not engaging in any war. I will not consent to crony capitalism and excessive taxes and regulations and toxins. If they want to attack me for being healthy and productive and for refusing oppression...not much I can do about that.

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What you don't seem to understand is the fact that only poor people pay their fair amount of taxes. The richer you get, the less you pay in relation. Until you pay almost nothing for almost everything. This is what has to change, and it's no communism.

Cheers

David

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The poor in the U.S. pay 0 in taxes and alot actully receive a check back after paying 0 in.

The poor ... that's us, my friend. Because we still work for the money. And I pay more and more and receive less and less. Maybe it's different for you.

Cheers

David

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"Humans think they are smarter than dolphins because we build cars and buildings and start wars etc...and all that dolphins do is swim in the water, eat fish and play around. Dolphins believe that they are smarter for exactly the same reasons."

most of his purchases weren't all that odd sadly, last month I ordered over 2000 rounds of ammunition on line and I have purchased over 6 guns in the past 3 months.....they were collectors pieces though.
and since I have my concealed carry permit I am not required to have the background check each time. those of us that shoot for sport and recreation do not find it odd that he bought so much ammo, I will shoot well over 500 rounds of .45 down the range in just a week sometimes. and before a competition I will do that in a day easily and this causes me to have tons of reloading equipment as well. I have about 15+ 30 round mags for my AK and lord knows how many for my AR...... I also have a tactical vest ( for tactial shooting exercises) and I own some 70's issue riot gear. I grew up in the boys scouts in a poor country town, "Be Prepared" is the motto,
so i stay that way.

Half of my town knows that if there is a major disaster they will want to be at my place...... some of you may think I am insane, but the armed forces do have a response delay in any major disaster, that's why I am here and why I practice so in a state like Colorado where there is a large number of "survivalist" type people. its not odd at all

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Somebizzaredude you do make a good point which can be lost by some my side of the pond. Over here we have almost 0 natural predators left, however in the wilderness over there you get some genuine issues from wildlife. I lived in the Canadian Rockies for a few years and would always have at least a knife and bear spray on me at all times (both of which are illegal here ). Out in the wilderness if you can't look after yourself you can guaruntee noone else is going to make it to your aid in time.

So anyone who works is poor?

well there aren't any bears in my area.... or anything agressive like that, other than people
but here lately we have been having a huge hog problem in my area..... it is difficult to take out a herd of those without an assault rifle also we have lost several chickens to a bobcat recently that i cannot get my sights on
when I do get the turd he will regret it

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Look, 10% own 90%. And those 10% sure don't work 9am-5pm.

I do, so I am not part of the 10%. Are you?

Cheers

David

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Quote from RCB.....
Apparently, you were asleep during government and history classes. The right to bear arms was intended to ensure future generations would have a means to protect themselves from foreign and domestic enemies and an oppressive government. Without a military grade weapon on your person and in your home, you have no means to protect your rights, your life, and your property from criminals, oppression, and a foreign invasion.

Wherever there is gun control, crime is historically and astronomically higher as the thugs always end up with the guns when the nice idiots turn over their guns thinking...it's okay, when it's not. The thugs will come rob and shoot you when they know you have no means to protect yourself or your home......[/quote]

Sorry to dispel your assumptions on my past class work, but I was most attentive in class and actually couldn't wait to get out of High School and graduated a year early, fluently speaking 2 languages and today I run my own business ( still around despite a neg. economy as far as construction is concerned ) and have 2 years of college with additional studies coming up this winter. Did I mention that by the time I was 17 I traveled to more places around the world than most people do in a lifetime.....

So I don't appreciate the personal dig, I'm attempting to have an intelligent argument ( look up the definition of Argument ) about a subject. However RCB you seem obsessed with turning the discussion back to this Paranoid belief that we should be armed to the teeth in expectation of an imminent invasion.....
By Whom... The Corporate Elite...

Additionally I know very well how to protect myself and my family were it to come to that.
Attempting to load a weapon after someone has entered your home is not exactly stealth.
rounds entering a chamber or, a magazine being loaded emits very audible clicks and sounds, may as swell shout out to your intruder...
There are more than enough impromptu weapons in a normal well equipped home, you just have to know how to use them.....
Anyway this is way off tangent and currently irrational thinking...

As far as the general population arming themselves to act as a militia......
Have you looked around at the general population... It is not a combat ready group, nor is it even a semi fit or disciplined population able to move quickly.....To face a combat experienced Foe......
I cannot believe I'm arguing such ludicrous points with your unrealistic perceptions of the world we live in.....

But on your last point.....Please do explain as to why the USA far outranks other western nations as far as crime per capita, yet they have much more stringent gun controls than we do.
Your arguments fail since you don't take into consideration that we are in the 21st Century not the 17th where " The Right To Bear Arms " is concerned amongst other subjects and conventional points
......... I'm done arguing with a " Brick in The Wall "...................

BTW.....In case I must go to Condition Red someday....I will be sure to hail SomebizarreDude because at least he is rational and seems to have both feet on the ground even though I may currently disagree with his position......Heavens to Murgatroid...

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That seems to be the crux of it all doesn't it.. Everyone is just not getting involved because of PC or just it's not my business.....At least until the S--T hits the proverbial Windmill...
But then it is Too Late and we all seem dumbfounded as to how could this have happened....

I dropped the ball and I cannot figure out how the opponent scored....

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