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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:01 am
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I'm a bit more on the fence than you with him then huh.......He ain't quite Stevie's trashed moments of glory...... but he's sure as hell one of the best blues artists ever...........Without doubt.....

The thing is i'm not saying Eric isn't a good player, on the contrary he is a great guitarist but look at the title of this thread!!! Now that is just ridiculous and is what has prompted me to criticise. With thread headlines like that it's like back to the 'Clapton is God' thing sprayed on the wall in the 60's, only this is 40 years later. I mean come off it.

I just can't stomach hero worship on that level, it is truly nauseating and a bit embarrassing really. :evil:

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:05 am
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Fair enough......

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:08 am
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This is a funny thread, someone here complained EC was boring and then tried to through up Paul Gilbert as innovative? I'm sorry that is just hilarious.

EC...Boring? Then give a listen to John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers With Eric Clapton, then go directly to Creams' Live Vol I & II, then give an unbiased listen to his Derek and The Dominos Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs album, then try his Behind the Sun (Same Old Blues and Just Like a Prisoner), then try checking out the dobro playing on the Unplugged album...and if you still don't see it, then listed to just about any of the songs on his Journyman album...if after that you don't understand then you will probably never will...go enjoy some other music then :mrgreen:

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A little 5W Amp crunching up....... That's super cool huh.......That lead....

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 10:14 am
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No, he took the genre to a whole new level as did all the old timers like Page and Beck. High volume power trios weren't the norm in the Blues circuit. These guy brought the Blues back from extinction and guys like Buddy Guy will admit it. Same as Johnny Winter, Mike Bloomfield, canned Heat helped Muddy Waters and John Lee Hooker. Cream wasn't just another Blues Band playing nothing but Blues covers. Crossroad Blues is a great example of taking Robert Johnson's original version and creating something off the hook while still letting people know the songs real origins.

Hey Bob Im going to see Canned Heat next weekend.


Tim, that should be an awesome show!

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:01 am
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Yeah but pretending to have the blues at the same time is a bit rich. EC is a good player but the way people brown nose him, particularly on this forum, is objectionable. There are stacks of players, guys like Johnny Winter and Ronnie Earl, Duke Robillard, Danny Gatton who play miles better at their peak than Clapton did but get nowhere near the amount of attention. All of these guys and many more would play rings around Eric hence the reason i say he's good but not as good as people crack him up to be.

He is overrated, a good player but nowhere near the level he's blown up to be.


OK...We get it....Clapton is at the bottom of your list regardless of the point of contention.
However elevating Ronnie Earl to the same musicianship as Clapton is a long reach at best.
I've seen Earl live at " The Bull Run " in Shirley Mass. Sorry to pop your bubble but let's say that if it weren't for the fact that my significant other knew Ronnie Earl personally from years ago with Roomful Of Blues, I would have exited on the second song, that is how bad the performance ( if you can call it that ) was...
As far as Duke Robillard, I run into him occasionally in and around Providence, a few years back we helped in trying to launch a music venue off of Water Street. Duke played there in a trio and small combo quite a few times, great guy, very pleasant was always willing to come and play even though it was at his cost....
As far as comparison to Clapton, there isn't, Duke's style is very much rooted in Jazz and the two could not be more dissimilar in style.
I enjoy listening to both men, but when Duke is playing I'm thinking Eight to The Bar, when Clapton is playing it is very much a unique interpretation of the Kings...

I don't see where music is a competitive event, it certainly has nothing remotely resembling an athletic event so the entire concept is really just fodder.
Since music is basically an interpretation, it doesn't have set rules of engagement, it is not based on a point system, nor does your heart rate require a healthy cardiovascular system, which is certainly not a plus in music, judging from some of the excessive behaviors....

There are quite a few musicians and bands whose music I dislike, but venting about it makes as much sense as the other extreme point of view.

However Gorgon from Glasgow, we are here and I don't think we are very likely to sell out a small 500 seat venue night after night....But when you do then perhaps you might have a leg to stand on for your argument.... :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:35 am
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Stroking the ego of a multi millionaire who still pretends he's got the blues while forking out millions on personalised Ferrari's is stupid.


Yeah, Eric Clapton has no reason to have "the blues", right?

Eric Clapton's Son Killed in a 49-Story Fall
Published: March 21, 1991

The 4 1/2-year-old son of the rock guitarist Eric Clapton was killed yesterday morning when he fell out an open bedroom window on the 53d floor of a Manhattan apartment building.

The boy, Conor, who was dressed in red pajamas and slippers, landed on the roof of a four-story building next to Galleria Condominiums, a 57-story building where the boy was staying with his mother, the police said.

They said the window, about 6 feet high and 4 feet wide, was left open after it was cleaned by a housekeeper. The boy, who was not in the room during the cleaning, darted past the housekeeper and somehow fell out the window, which was not protected by a window guard, the police said.

"At this point it seems as if this was a tragic accident," said a police spokesman, Capt. Stephen Davis.

Besides the housekeeper, the boy's mother, Lori Del Santo, an Italian television actress, was in the duplex with a maid and a friend, the police said.


You really have to stop and think before you go out on a limb like that Gorgon. Money does not equal happiness.

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:40 am
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Okay, I'm going to get hammered by many for this one, but I'm curious to see if perhaps at least ONE person has at least entertained a hint of a thought similar to what I'm about to say. And this is meant to be a polite, fun little discussion, not start a flame war, and I mean this truly as a COMPLIMENT to EC and his skill, chops, and musicianship. Here goes.

Is it possible that EC is too good for his own good and that this manifests itself in him using a "TOO CLEAN," SOME MIGHT EVEN SAY "THIN," tone?



I think he got his greatest tone with the ES-335; Cream and 'From the Cradle', that material. Same with SRV; they both have great chops, but at times the tone has been grating (I know SRV didn't use a 335). They talk about SRV and Hendrix, there's a huge difference between their tones. Hendrix went from straight clean Fender ('51st Anniversary') to Strat/Marshall fat tone ('Blues' album). It's personal preference but Eric sounded best on that Gibson....that he sold.

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:58 am
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Besides, since when are their rules to who's allowed or has the right to play or sing the blues?
That was a David Bromberg song wasn't it? Oh wait, Jewish guys shouldn't be allowed to play the Blues either. :lol:

If it wasn't for guys like Clapton, John Mayall, Jeff Beck, The Stones, the Blues would have just disappeared from the planet. Young Black kids at the time had no interest in the Blues. Do you think, Bonamassa, Lange or Mayer have the right to play either? You're not allowed to enjoy the fruits of your success. That's ridiculous. What's Mayer got to sing the blues about, no weed in town? 8)

Clapton was in the right place at the right time. He had a passion for the blues, and made a great living at it. He covers Blues songs and always seems to put his own twist on it. He also played with Delaney and Bonnie, Blind Faith, the Beatles and the list goes on and on. Ronnie Earl isn't one of my favorites either. Johnny Winter, at his peak he was amazing. Some of the old timers thought he played too fast. He's not doing so well now. I used to go to Winter concerts when he sold out the Phila Spectrum in the 70's. I'm a huge fan.

It all sounds like sour grapes to me. :lol: Since when is playing music some kind of contest?

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
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What's Mayer got to sing the blues about, no weed in town? 8)


lmao! :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:28 pm
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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:22 pm
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Yeah, Eric Clapton has no reason to have "the blues", right?
You really have to stop and think before you go out on a limb like that Gorgon. Money does not equal happiness.

Here we go again eh? below the belt if ever there was one bringing that up. A tragedy yes but everyone go's through horrible problems in their life. Because he lost his son in that freak accident doesn't automatically mean that suddenly he's a bluesman reborn. Don't be so silly and immature.

As for money not equalling happiness; well Clapton seems quite happy now that he's indulging his vanity and ego ordering custom Ferrari's that he doesn't need. If he's down and feeling the need to play the blues it sure doesn't look like it from this angle.

A bluesman? i don't think so. But then again i never did. A rock guitarist who incorporated blues in his style then yes i'd agree with that.

I think it's about time you stopped kissing Eric's butt and realised he is no god, simply a guitar player. Stop hero worshipping and making things out of these people that they're not, it's nauseating.

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:34 pm
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:lol: :lol: Uh oh, I think I started something I shouldn't have. :lol: :lol:
I know it's hard, but let get off the Mayer thing. I don't Gorgon's quite done with the Clapton thing. :roll: If success, fame and talent are measured by the size of your wallet, I think Clapton has me beat. If you look at the current batch of popular young bluesmen, I don't think they're driving Yugo's and living in refrigerator boxes or doing the Hobo thing either. Some are even riding on their popular fathers coattails too.

Clapton's as much a Bluesman as anyone. So am I.

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:40 pm
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There are quite a few musicians and bands whose music I dislike, but venting about it makes as much sense as the other extreme point of view.

However Gorgon from Glasgow, we are here and I don't think we are very likely to sell out a small 500 seat venue night after night....But when you do then perhaps you might have a leg to stand on for your argument.... :roll:

The title of the thread says it all and this is a forum thread that is asking our opinions on the matter. I never started the thread, someone else did that.

There are artists that sell out concerts night after night it often doesn not reflect their own ability. I have stated Eric is a great player but what i'm saying is he is not god like and can walk on water he is not "too good for his own good" that is ridiculous. Barry Manilow could probably sell out every show if he toured :lol: it doesn't mean he's a virtuoso singer. The Sex Pistols if they reformed and gigged would sell out every venue guaranteed . You get the picture i'm sure?

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:03 pm
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Dude, you've done it 3 times now so I must intervene. STOP BLAMING ME, THE OP. The TITLE of the post clearly says "no flame wars." You must take responsibility for your own posts. You *started* all of the things that have approached a slugfest.

The title of the OP and its content are very polite and non-attacking and nonoffensive to anyone, regardless of whether they are able to make it through an EC song without falling asleep, as I've heard some people can do.

Also, as most people here "spotted," the "too good for his own good" line was a mild insult to EC, not a complement. I know you're young. You might want to practice reading more carefully. As the OP clearly and articulately states, the premise of the OP (the "hypothesis," if you will) is that EC's playing sounds less than great because he uses a tone that is too clean and thin.

It is time for this thread to die.

Number one this was a troll thread started by you. You put the No Flame Wars bit in because you knew for a fact that this was gonna be a controversial post. Don't try to duck your responsibility, you posted it.

As for a slugfest? don't be such a drama queen. Nothing of the sort, just a frank exchange of views after a thread is started that is too ridiculous for words.

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It's too late now but .... deleting posts is not the answer. You simply have to resign yourself to the fact that this is a guitar forum. If you ask for opinions, debates will ensue. Period. It's as simple as that. No amount of pretty please will stop it. I know you feel frustrated right now but .... lesson learned. Get back on the horse and keep riding.

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