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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:08 am
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This is all pretty funny.
Remember this, Clapton pioneered this style of playing. Having a style and playing the same licks over again are two different things.

Who doesn't repeat some things anyway? SRV, that's the finest example of playing the same overrated licks over and over again, and those licks live on through the Strats With Hats Movement. Malmsteen, same thing. Nothing but scales really, really fast. Clapton, Hendrix, Page, Jeff Beck, Rory Gallagher were all innovators. I don't consider any of these players overrated. These guys influenced generations of players. If Clapton is so overrated, why does he still sell out every show he plays? Why is his music played four decades later? You can never be too good for your own good. Clapton's not my favorite player, but not even close to overrated.

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:33 am
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63supro wrote:
You can never be too good for your own good. Clapton's not my favorite player, but not even close to overrated.


Amen. Preach it, brother.



(How did you like my little roundabout, sideways "Clapton is God" reference, there?)

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:49 am
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Hey guys, have in mind that he is 60 + years old, we cannot expect him to be at his peak now.

I believe you should judge EC for what he accomplished during his career as a musician and we he did for music.

In Sessions for Robert J he said something like "I worry about what I can give to the music not what I can take". What would be of all the old blues musicians if was not for him. Would you ever heard of Robert Johnson if it was not for EC?


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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:16 am
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Hey guys, have in mind that he is 60 + years old, we cannot expect him to be at his peak now.

Why not? I'm 53 and I know I am a better player now than I have ever been at any other time in my life. When does a person stop learning?

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:29 am
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63supro wrote:
This is all pretty funny.
Remember this, Clapton pioneered this style of playing. Having a style and playing the same licks over again are two different things.

No he didn't, scores of players were doing it before Eric and he more or less took his whole style kit and kaboodle from Freddie King, BB King and Buddy Guy. Even Eric would admit that there's nothing new about his playing.

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:42 am
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No, he took the genre to a whole new level as did all the old timers like Page and Beck. High volume power trios weren't the norm in the Blues circuit. These guy brought the Blues back from extinction and guys like Buddy Guy will admit it. Same as Johnny Winter, Mike Bloomfield, canned Heat helped Muddy Waters and John Lee Hooker. Cream wasn't just another Blues Band playing nothing but Blues covers. Crossroad Blues is a great example of taking Robert Johnson's original version and creating something off the hook while still letting people know the songs real origins.

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:26 am
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Eric is a boring player it's as simple as that really. Everything he does has basically been rehashed and redone ten million times over.

I'd rather listen to Edge or the guy from the Mars Volta or shred player Paul Gilbert. They come up with interesting sounds and compositions whereas all Eric can think of is rehashing the past.

As i said pretty sad in this day and age we're even talking about him instead of some new exciting players with fresh ideas.

It's just perpetuating this blues guitar cliche that's so dated. :evil:


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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:27 am
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63supro wrote:
This is all pretty funny.
Remember this, Clapton pioneered this style of playing. Having a style and playing the same licks over again are two different things.

No he didn't, scores of players were doing it before Eric and he more or less took his whole style kit and kaboodle from Freddie King, BB King and Buddy Guy. Even Eric would admit that there's nothing new about his playing.



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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:33 am
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This is a funny thread, someone here complained EC was boring and then tried to through up Paul Gilbert as innovative? I'm sorry that is just hilarious.

EC...Boring? Then give a listen to John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers With Eric Clapton, then go directly to Creams' Live Vol I & II, then give an unbiased listen to his Derek and The Dominos Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs album, then try his Behind the Sun (Same Old Blues and Just Like a Prisoner), then try checking out the dobro playing on the Unplugged album...and if you still don't see it, then listed to just about any of the songs on his Journyman album...if after that you don't understand then you will probably never will...go enjoy some other music then :mrgreen:

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Two fantastic albums and I would love to pick up a tweed champ to dial in some of that Layla sound!! A little 5W Amp crunching up........ That's super cool huh.......That lead....



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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 7:41 am
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63supro wrote:
No, he took the genre to a whole new level as did all the old timers like Page and Beck. High volume power trios weren't the norm in the Blues circuit. These guy brought the Blues back from extinction and guys like Buddy Guy will admit it. Same as Johnny Winter, Mike Bloomfield, canned Heat helped Muddy Waters and John Lee Hooker. Cream wasn't just another Blues Band playing nothing but Blues covers. Crossroad Blues is a great example of taking Robert Johnson's original version and creating something off the hook while still letting people know the songs real origins.

Hey Bob Im going to see Canned Heat next weekend.


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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:27 am
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Check out his tone on Cocaine from the 2004 crossroads show. Huge sound coming out of that strat. I would never call his tone thin or too clean. Quite the opposite, the midrange bump gives it a single coil-humbucker hybrid sound that is really pretty interesting and beautiful and gives the amp a little bit of burn to it without washing out the notes in waves of distortion. I'd definitely put his tone in my top 5

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:30 am
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^^ That takes a lot of brains :evil: Eric copied his style from those guys i mentioned above. Are you disputing those facts? So he was not and is not original.

Rather than write troll in gigantic letters, put forward your reasons as to why my facts about Eric are wrong. He copied Buddy Guy and Freddie King verbatim and tried to copy Hendrix playing killing Floor but couldn't play the rhythm so had to drop it.

I'm not entering into the Eric lovefest i'm afraid. Stroking the ego of a multi millionaire who still pretends he's got the blues while forking out millions on personalised Ferrari's is stupid.

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:33 am
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Mate having a collection of Ferrari's from playing guitars is about the coolest thing ever ur not thinking straight....... No matter what you think of EC...."Like i am not a no1 fan"..........Kudo's EC!!!!

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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:41 am
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Yeah but pretending to have the blues at the same time is a bit rich. EC is a good player but the way people brown nose him, particularly on this forum, is objectionable. There are stacks of players, guys like Johnny Winter and Ronnie Earl, Duke Robillard, Danny Gatton who play miles better at their peak than Clapton did but get nowhere near the amount of attention. All of these guys and many more would play rings around Eric hence the reason i say he's good but not as good as people crack him up to be.

He is overrated, a good player but nowhere near the level he's blown up to be.

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Post subject: Re: Is Clapton Too Good For His Own Good (no flame war)?
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I'm a bit more on the fence than you with him then huh.......He ain't quite Stevie's trashed moments of glory...... but he's sure as hell one of the best blues artists ever...........Without doubt.....

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