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Post subject: Re: EQ, Les Paul, Fender, Tone, Humbuckers and Single Coils
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:43 am
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I will have to respectfully disagree. JMHO, but I don't think you can get a Strat sound from a Paul through electronics. I think a lot of the differing sounds come from the density of the wood and construction.

For example, Pauls are really dense and heavy where a Strat is somewhat lighter and has more "Resonance" through the body, neck and with the trem which a Paul doesn't have. My Godin is even lighter than a Strat, and has even more "Resonance" than a Strat due to the wood and the way the neck is attached.

Apples, Oranges and Peaches. You can color them the same, but they are what they are.

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Post subject: Re: EQ, Les Paul, Fender, Tone, Humbuckers and Single Coils
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:44 am
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Nope, Try to get the quack tone from a Les Paul. I don't think so


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Post subject: Re: EQ, Les Paul, Fender, Tone, Humbuckers and Single Coils
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:59 am
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Hou-Tex wrote:
Apples, Oranges and Peaches. You can color them the same, but they are what they are.


+1

The only single instrument I know of that can deliver all of those tones is the Vari-Ax or possible the OOP VG Strat. Personally, I prefer having multiple guitars instead.

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Post subject: Re: EQ, Les Paul, Fender, Tone, Humbuckers and Single Coils
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:06 am
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I have to agree that they all have different tones which I cannot come close to duplicating on any other.

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Post subject: Re: EQ, Les Paul, Fender, Tone, Humbuckers and Single Coils
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:18 am
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From an electrical standpoint, each pickup is totally different from the other when it comes to wire resistance, inductance, capacitance, frequency response, and resonant frequency. From a physical standpoint they are different in wire guage, winding technique, and overall physical construction. The only way to get one to sound like the other would be through serious electronic manipulation such as modeling. Simple tone controls don't even come close.

If you truly beleive that all guitars can be easily made to sound alike, then based on your screen name, "Violin Parent", all violins should sound alike whether it is a centuries old Stradivarious or a Yamaha built yesterday. We all know how much BS that idea is. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: EQ, Les Paul, Fender, Tone, Humbuckers and Single Coils
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:23 am
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Violin Parent wrote:
Isn't it true that (and I include myself in this) our idea that every guitarist needs a Les Paul, strat, and tele in his or her collection really is our GAS talking, and any one of these "real" classic guitars can basically cover the range of tones from Les Paul thickness to tele twang and everything in between, using the pickup selections and EQ settings? In other words, if one had to have only one guitar, one could not go wrong with either the American Standard Strat, American Standard Tele, or Gibson Les Paul? (especially the strat 8) )

I'm not saying there are not tiny differences, but I'm saying close enough for those of us who are not Eric Clapton.

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Hi VP: oo, this thread has the potential to see some mud flying before too long, I wouldn't be surprised! :lol:

On the one hand, there's many famous examples known to most of us of recordings where assumptions about which sort of guitar was used turn out to be embarrassingly wrong. Teles mistaken for Les Pauls and so forth.

On the other hand, when I try and get, say, Mark Knopfler's sounds on many of the tracks on Sailing to Philadelphia I can't do it with a Strat no matter how hard I tweak the EQ. I can only get near with my LP - and it turns out that's what he was using on much of that album.

On another hand, whilst I absolutely cannot get Mark's bridge+middle Sultans sound on anything other than a single-coiled Strat (and not the one with Lace Sensors either), our Forum friend Nikininja has a Les Paul where he's reversed the polarity on one of the pickups Peter Green style; I've had the pleasure of playing that guitar and to my surprise with both pickups on and a bit of balancing of the volume knobs you can get a very Fendery, quacky sound indeed. Nick laughed at my astonishment at the tone coming out of that Paul: most definitely not what it says on the label.

And on yet another hand, it's interesting you mention Clapton because last time I saw him a few months ago he played nothing but his blue Strat all evening (aside from a bit of acoustic) and I have never heard so many amazingly different tones coming out of the same guitar in a live setting. Mind you, that has to do with a lot more than merely tweaking the EQ, which he never touched: that gentleman is using a truckload of off-stage processing. Still, one guitar was good enough for him, so at least part of what you say holds up.

Supposing you've got Eric's fingers, anyhow.

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EDIT: for numbskull spelling...

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Post subject: Re: EQ, Les Paul, Fender, Tone, Humbuckers and Single Coils
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:31 am
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Agree with your answers ,guys - but have to add that it is not always easy to tell which guitar playing , if there is added several stomp-boxes........Probably easier if you hear them side by side. But each 'horn' definitively have their own unique tone , which definitely will alter if you change the pickups. I am also of the opinion that different tone wood has an impact. And it is those differences in sound I dig :D So if you want one particular sound , you better come up with the right guitar. But you can of course play all kinds of music with your strat ( which you seem to prefer) , but then again , maybe with a slightly different tone :D

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Post subject: Re: EQ, Les Paul, Fender, Tone, Humbuckers and Single Coils
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:35 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
If you truly beleive that all guitars can be easily made to sound alike, then based on your screen name, "Violin Parent", all violins should sound alike whether it is a centuries old Stradivarious or a Yamaha built yesterday. We all know how much BS that idea is. :lol:

Hi bluesky: not necessarily. At the end of my violin making course last year a professional player was brought in and newly finished instruments by amateurs were put alongside those built by respected professionals and also a couple of venerable centuries-old fiddles. It was amazing how a fine violinist could make those supposedly very different instruments sound amazingly close to each other.

He talked about each one and it was clear that even if they could be made to sound similar they felt different to him as he played them: he had to work them differently to get comparable sounds out of them. Even so, the differences he detected and we heard were not always related to the presumed quality or value of the instrument.

The player's part of the equation is so-o-o important.

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Post subject: Re: EQ, Les Paul, Fender, Tone, Humbuckers and Single Coils
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:30 am
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I happen to think that every guitar sounds different in their own way, even if the 2 are exact copies of each other. This is why guitarist gave more than 1 guitar (well most of us do). I know each of mine have different tonal qualities that make it more usefull to play a particular song than the others. Can I play any song with any of them, of course, the voice is just different.

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Post subject: Re: EQ, Les Paul, Fender, Tone, Humbuckers and Single Coils
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:19 am
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Ceri now Im going to flipping a pickup around in my Les Paul.


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