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Post subject: Looking for the answer: Made in U.S.A or not.
Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:36 am
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This might have been done already, if so, sorry for the duplicate topic.

Are the re-issue 65 twin reverb amps made in the U.S.A. or not?

I'm not at home so I can't check the back of mine.

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I believe they are made in Mexico.

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yeah, i also think there made in mexico.

just to be shure, when you get home tell us what it was, cause i want to know now


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Ensenada baby. I used to go there in the early 80's when it was just a fishing village. That was before NAFTA sent American jobs to foreign countries to help their economies. Sorry Fender. I don't like the fact that any American company can fire American employees and move the jobs to Mexico to save money, yet still charge the same amount for the products made there and pocket the difference. That's just un-American.

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Ensenada baby. I used to go there in the early 80's when it was just a fishing village. That was before NAFTA sent American jobs to foreign countries to help their economies. Sorry Fender. I don't like the fact that any American company can fire American employees and move the jobs to Mexico to save money, yet still charge the same amount for the products made there and pocket the difference. That's just un-American.


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Ensenada baby. I used to go there in the early 80's when it was just a fishing village. That was before NAFTA sent American jobs to foreign countries to help their economies. Sorry Fender. I don't like the fact that any American company can fire American employees and move the jobs to Mexico to save money, yet still charge the same amount for the products made there and pocket the difference. That's just un-American.
Better than folding, you can't blame Fender for trying to survive. I could go on, but I promised myself I wouldn't talk politics in the Fender forum.

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Yeah, well if a company can't exsist without the crushing responsibility of providing Americans a decent wage and decent benefits (in return for the privledge of being an American compnay), they shouldn't be a company. There's no way I believe all these companies were going to fold if they didn't move overseas for cheap labor. Companies, even Fender, exsisted just fine in the past while providing a fair wage and benefits package to their American workers. The problem is today's stockholders (rich people) are demanding higher profit margins then ever before. The only way to make those margins is to move jobs out of America. Then once the company and stockholders get used to that level of return, they expect it all the time, a return to pre NAFTA levels would be considered failure.

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Any company has the right to survive. I agree with almost everything else you just said except where the blame lies. Not in the rich stockholders who take advantage of the system, nor the Companies that make sound bussiness desicions, but the American Voter, and the Politicians they wontonly back. If America didn't vote itself into an economic corner, nafta would have worked out to were Mexico and Canada would be sending the USA it's companies, and Europeans would be purchasing stuff made in North America. But Nationalism disguised as Patriotism has straind relations with our neighbors so much, we can't hope for free open trade.

No, it's not Fenders Fualt for selling a $600 guitar, or mine for buying it. But all those who Vote, or refuse to vote, out of Fear. Fear of not Being Cool, not Not being Patriotic, or Not Being Tough. Everything but the fear of being gullible.

Having Voted against everything that brought the US to it's Economic knees, I can safely say I deserve a Cheap Fender. And knowing Fenders history, which is pure Americana laced with acts of patriotism, I can safely say they deserve to sell me one.

Well, I broke my promise, and talked Politics on the Fender Site, sorry. :(

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It looks like MIM. I just assumed it was made in the U.S.A. , I guess I should have looked closer, I know my Blues Junior is MIM, but for the price that really doesn't bother me. But for a $1200.00 amp, I had expected it to be American made. I was going to get the Custom Vibrolux Reverb (because it is US Made) but instead I opted for the Twin, the CVR has Made in U.S.A. right on the front panel.
I prefer to buy American whenever possible, to avoid ANY further confusion. I would like to see Fender add where the product is made in their online specs.

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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:38 am
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NAFTA is killing the American worker. You can't hardly find anything "made" in America anymore. About the closest you can get is assembled here from foreign parts. Sucks if you ask me.


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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:59 am
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I AGREE WITH YOU.
Thats about all I'll say on that matter without expressing any other personal political views.

I'll take a picture of the back panel on my 65 TR/RI and try to get it posted tonight for all to see.

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According to 'Fender Amps: The First Fifty Years' by John Teagle and John Sprung, a Fender Twin Reverb's MSRP was $479 in 1965. You can go online and find a 'inflation adjusted' table to find out what that is in 2008 dollars. I'm pretty sure that it'll be a LOT more than $1200. And yes, I know, it wouldn't be a fair comparison with all the modern concessions to design and manufacturing (location and otherwise)-but you're also getting a relatively decent version of a amp that is essentially archaic (depending on your opinion) by modern standards. I mean, how many 12AX7s/7025s do you NEED for a two channel amp?

Funny, Marshall did that limited edition (300 sold in the US only, supposedly) of the JTM 45 'offset' half stack rig back in 2000, put a MSRP of $5000 on it, and they sold like hotcakes! I'll bet that most of them are still in their boxes, and also that no one is complaining much if they have non-UK made components in them.

Regards NAFTA-I think that Americans in general (and I spent 20+ years in the U.S. Military, 10 years overseas, so I've been around) have a VERY short memory regards how our economy as been in the past, as well as what's been going on in the world overall. I've seen two oil/gas shortages (NOT just high prices) and double-digit inflation back in the '70's. My dad lost his job because his manufacturing plant closed back in the '70's. I remember when having just ONE credit card was an accomplishment-and a responsibility! I went to a non-prestigeous 4 year college on my own dime and NOT my parents, because it was all I could afford (funny, once you get a degree, a degree is just a degree, you still have to do all the work afterward). Trust me, things could be a lot worse than they are now. And just as easily forgotten once the economy gets back to normal, it's happened before. Not that I would or could.

Cheaper imports are an easy target to say that we are losing jobs here. It's not just that-I remember back in the 70's when U.S. made products were archaic, clunky, unreliable, and sometimes just plain awful! Not all were. Just imagine if NONE of them were! We are still learning our lessons from back then. And sometimes still repeating the mistakes.


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ok, here is what is on the back of my 65 twin reverb re-issue, it doesn't specifically state "Made in the U.S.A." AND it does not specifically say Made In Mexico either. So, I'm going to assume it is Made in the USA. Anyone have any input?
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NAFTA is killing the American worker. You can't hardly find anything "made" in America anymore.


Bull! The American worker is killing American jobs. I know of several companies that have gone under because after the crackdown on illegals they couldn't find American workers who'd work for $16/hour with paid benefits. Everyone thought they were better than that. Somehow we've all lost sight of the fact that you aren't entitled to a job simply because you want one. You have to work and do you job well and American workers don't seem to want to do that anymore. The bottom line is that companies are in business to make money, not to provide jobs. If a company can't make money, then it won't stay in business. However, much of the problem is with the shareholders too. Cutting sweethart deals to CEO's who can lose money and still make $20 million is just plain wrong.


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Any company has the right to survive. I agree with almost everything else you just said except where the blame lies. Not in the rich stockholders who take advantage of the system, nor the Companies that make sound bussiness desicions, but the American Voter, and the Politicians they wontonly back. If America didn't vote itself into an economic corner, nafta would have worked out to were Mexico and Canada would be sending the USA it's companies, and Europeans would be purchasing stuff made in North America. But Nationalism disguised as Patriotism has straind relations with our neighbors so much, we can't hope for free open trade.

No, it's not Fenders Fualt for selling a $600 guitar, or mine for buying it. But all those who Vote, or refuse to vote, out of Fear. Fear of not Being Cool, not Not being Patriotic, or Not Being Tough. Everything but the fear of being gullible.

Having Voted against everything that brought the US to it's Economic knees, I can safely say I deserve a Cheap Fender. And knowing Fenders history, which is pure Americana laced with acts of patriotism, I can safely say they deserve to sell me one.

Well, I broke my promise, and talked Politics on the Fender Site, sorry. :(


i agree with you!! I also say we as a society have become extremely lazy. We act like we are owed somthing, but we arent, that is why illigeals are here. They are hungry to make somthing better, and take care of there familys. We look down at them, but i respect them for comeing here and actually working, taking jobs that us good ole coucasion americans lookdown out nose at


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