Wow, ever heard of the quote, 'times change'??? Well guess what? Times have changed since the technology boom, and maybe, just maybe, you shouldn't rely on the radio for music anymore!!

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Yeah it changed alright. The internet made it a lot easier to be heard. Youtube made us not be a slave to MTV. It used to be if you didn't make it on MTV, you'd never get anywhere. The problem is that everything is really over saturated. Use the forums and networking sites to get out there and just don't stick to music forums use all kinds of networking media.
I'm glad nobody mentioned pirating. That's been going on since the reel to reel recorders. The difference is Metallica wasn't around to whine about it. It never hurt the Grateful Dead.
Crazy thing was in the 70's you could see two or three big name bands for $5.50.
I saw the Mahavishnu Orchestra open for Frank Zappa for under six bucks. Even if you add in inflation, it comes out to around twenty eight bucks. Why are we paying way big bucks now?

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No one is forcing anyone to pay the ask price of a ticket at a large venue...
I don't often attend concerts but when I do it is a small venue and the average ticket price is about $20 to $35...Listening to live music from 200 yards away is not a musical experience.
I can watch a big screen at home for far less agravation than the logistics of a big concert hall.
Not to mention that at a small venue the sound isn't deafening and all the subtleties of the band or solo act project to all of the audience...
After commuting to and from work all week, the last thing in the world that I want to do is to fight more commuters at a concert....Brilliantly Pointless....

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Oh yeah I agree, that's why I very rarely go to large venues anymore too. It's funny to hear some of the larger acts whine about how much money they're losing.

I saw Dave Mason a little while back at the Scottish Rite Auditorium in New Jersey for around $30. It was an incredible show. Not a bad seat in the place.

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Amongst the very oldest known artifacts made by humans is this bone flute discovered recently in Hohle Fels cave in Germany. It is dated to 35,000 years ago and shows that people have been making music for as long as they've been doing anything at all. I haven't the slightest worry that music might die: it is hardwired into our brains by way of our DNA.

But I am worried that popular music has ceased to be THE significant cultural form, and there's no likelyhood it will come back.

When in 1967 communications satellites meant the world was ready for the first global live broadcast it was perfectly natural that The Beatles should be asked to do it, and so produced their famous/infamous performance of All You Need Is Love. It went out to 400 million people around the planet and in its foggy way it meant something. The Beatles were young, current and known the world over.

If some comparable event took place today who would now be asked to do it - what current, young musicians would have the public recognition or be seen to stand for a moment in history? Chris Martin?? Lady Gaga??? Lord have mercy.

Recent halftime shows at the Superbowl have included Bruce Springsteen, Madonna, The Who and Tom Petty. For the forthcoming Olympics opening show this year The Sex Pistols were asked to reform (Johnny Lydon said no - amazingly, considering he now makes a living doing TV adverts for butter. And before you laugh, in the UK Iggy Pop nowadays advertises car insurance. Strange but true). Personally, I'm fine with most of the above, but it bothers me there is simply nobody in music under 30 who TV producers or anyone else thinks can stand for their generation, or anything more than a tiny, fragmented part of it; the way Elvis, The Beatles and The Stones did in the past.

Many reasons for all of that, but a major part of it is that however much the internet may not have killed local independent music the digital revolution has sucked most of the money out of the music business as a whole. There simply is not the capital in music anymore and ultimately that affects all levels of the game.

I feel good about going to small bands in small local venues: that suits me nicely. But I don't feel so good that music has ceased to be the crucial art form of the age and has become merely a marginalised, minority also-ran activity. I think that's a shame but I'm afraid it's a done deal.

Cheers - C

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I know what you mean, my wife loves to make music with my bone flute too.... And if she could do it for 35,000 years, I think she would be good with that...

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In Reference to Blues Legend RL Burnside:
After a heart attack in 2001, Burnside's doctor advised him to stop drinking; Burnside did, but he reported that change left him unable to play.

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Mwaaahahaha! (lecherous laugh)

Cheers - C

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All the while sitting on a park bench....

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Nope, I never said the "internet has killed music" I said it has killed the "music scene" as mentioned by the user who I was replying to.
And I'm very serious when I said the internet killed the rock music scene. Sure, there are a few indie bands that have gained traction, but my point is that there will never be a rock movement that takes hold of the country like movements of the past.

Please tell me the last "movement" in rock music. Seems to me like the last one was the numetal scene that took hold in the mid-late 90's into the early 2000's and it was a minor scene at best. Since then.....nothing beside a failed emo scene that shouldn't even be refered to as a scene. It was just a couple kids dieing for attention. As I said, rock radio is dead and it is (was) rock radio that was responsible for bringing many great artists to the publics attention. Indie bands have easier access to an audience, but without the record industry backing these bands, there will never be a new "scene". And without the record companies backing these bands, they will never be "rock stars" as there were in the past. Rock bands can no longer sell out arena's.....because their music isnt played on the radio.

So, I agree with you that indie bands are in a good position right now to showcase their music, but the vast majority of these bands will never make money. Without touring at large venues, the money will never "roll right in". Most people will either listen to the music for free on YouTube or maybe buy a song or two on iTunes. These bands will continue to struggle to make money and eventually, we will see the indie music world start to downsize as more and more young people realize that theres just no money to be made from producing an album.

This all goes back to my original point that with the current state of the music industry, there will never be another scene and it has everything to do with the internet and the fact that the record companies wont invest money into bands since the music is always free on the internet.

Or we could pay people to teach kids the meaning of hard work and maybe we'll see a few decent bands reach mainstream status. I think rap and rock and coexist. Truth be told, I can't write lyrics without it turning into rap.

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Eat some pie, you little con artist.

"You Never Know"
(feat. Jean Grae)

[Verse 1]
She was on her way to becoming a college graduate
Wouldn't even stop to talk to the average kid
The type of latina I'd sit and contemplate marriage with
$@!& the horse and carriage $@!&, her love was never for hire
Disciplined, intellectual beauty's what I desire
Flyer than Salma Hayek or Jennifer Lopez
Everyone told me, kickin' it to her was hopeless
At first I just thought, she didn't mess with broke kids
The thug niggas always talking about, how they smoke kids
But the rich-sniff-coke kids got no play
"I'm not even interested" is what her body language would say
Everyone around the way, gave up trying to get in it
It didn't matter how good your game was, she wasn't with it
On the block, bitches was jealous, but wouldn't admit it
Talk $@!&, and deny to everyone that they did it
'Cause they regretted the long list of niggas that they let hit it
And no one ever gave them $@!& except McDonald's and did-dick
Smoking weed with thoughts of envy, whenever they lit it
She spoke intelligently and they bit it, always trying to copy
But when they tried to use her vocab, they sounded sloppy
She had a style, all her own, respectful and pure
I was sick in the head for her, and there wasn't a cure

[Hook - Jean Grae]
Don't you know that, time waits for no man
Not fate, it's all planned
I'm blessed just to know you
I've loved and I've lost just to hold you all night
Can't find, a reason why
God came, between you and I
If I had the chance again, I'd never let you go
Hold tight to your love, 'cause you never know

[Verse 2]
Her eyes are brown and beautiful, yet empty and sad
I used to talk to her occasionally, and she was glad
That I wasn't just another $@!&# trying to get in it
So every now and then we'd stop and talk for a minute
I didn't have a gimmick so the minutes turned to hours
On her birthday, I gave her a poem with flowers
Then I took her out to dinner after her cousin's baby shower
We talked about, power to the people and such
We spent more time together but it was never enough
I never tried to sneak a touch, or even cop a feel
I was too interested, in keeping it real
Perfectly honest and complete, she would always call me "carino",
And never Technique, bought me a new book to read every 2 or 3 weeks
Forever changing the expression of my thoughts when I speak
It was because of her, I even deaded all of my freaks
She convinced me, to stop hangin' out on the streets
To stop robbin' and stealin', from people like you
Instead I took her out to the Apollo and the Bronx Zoo
We sailed del Barrio and the Metropolitan too
Got to the point when I was either with her or my crew
So I decided one day, to tell her my feelings was true
I couldn't live without her so I told her, facing my fears
But honey's only response, was a face full of tears
She could only sob hysterically, holding me tight
I tried to speak, but she wouldn't stop until I left sight
I felt like a moth who got himself too close to the light
Except I didn't burn, I turned cold after that night

[Hook]

[Verse 3]
I went on with my life, college and my career
Ended up locked up like an animal for a year
Where the C.O.'s talk to you like they were the overseer
Then I got sent to the hole, when my exit was near
At night in my cell, I'd close my eyes and I'd see her
Hold her close in my dreams, but when I woke she disappeared
Just an empty cell until the state gave me parole in the summer
came back, in tact and on track
But the fact of the matter, is I still felt cold
Even after my mother, hugged me, cryin' at home
My real niggas would catch me thinkin', out of my zone
Fuckin' lots of different women, but I still felt alone
Relatively well-known around the New York underground
But I kept thinking of her and how we used to be down
The sound of her voice, and the beautiful smell of her hair
Though gone physically, somehow it was still there
I had to do something, because the $@!& was too much to bear
So I went and visited the building where she used to live
The world looks a lot different after you do a bid
The way your life done changed
While primitive minds (are) still stuck in the same game
Like her cousin who was on the corner slangin' cocaine
Stepped in the lobby and tapped the button next to her last name
Her mom buzzed me up and hugged me up, like a mother ought to
But her facial expression changed, when I asked about her daughter

[Hook]

[Verse 4]
She told me that there was a note for me, that was left behind
She had left it there waiting, for such a long time
I was inclined to ask about it but she brought it up first
I saw a tear swelling up in her eye, and then she cursed
She told me where the letter was and I started thinking the worst
Reversed my position, stepped over and opened the door
And sure enough there was an envelope with my name on the floor
"Nobody loves you more than me carino" is what the letter said

"By the time you get to read this, I'll probably be dead
But when you left in '97 a part of me went to Heaven
I thank God at least I got to know what love really was
But it hurt me, to see what true love really does
'Cause even though we never made love, you were all that there was
It was because I loved you so much that I had to make you leave
You made me doubt the way I thought, you made me want to believe
And then I slipped up, and I let you get close to me
It was hard to not be openly when people spoke to me
This was not the way I thought my life was supposed to be
Baby don't you see, I had a blood transfusion that left me with HIV
Hoped the end exists for me since late in 1993
I died a virgin, I wish I could've given myself to you
I cried in the hospital because there was no one else but you
Promise that you'll meet me in paradise inevitably
No matter what, I'll keep your love forever with me"

What happened for the rest of the day is still a blur
But I remember wishing that I was dead, instead of her
She was buried on August 3rd
The story ends without a sequel
And now you know why Technique, don't #$@*&!% fall in love with people
Hold the person that you love closely if they're next to you
The one you love, not the person that'll simply have sex with you
Appreciate them to the fullest extent, and then beyond
'Cause you never really know what you got, until it's gone

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SK, I think I lost a little respect for you. Honestly, this is one of the most beautiful rap songs out there. You should actually stop being such a dick and give it a listen. Yes, there is explicit language, but it's used in limited quantities, actually used to express some kind of strong emotion. You shouldn't generalize such a broad genre.

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1986 Peavey Envoy 110
1967 Kingston Acoustic

Please, dont be so prejudice. If anything the internet will help a movement get recognised. Heck, it's happening right now where I live.

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No. Just, no.

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