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Post subject: Re: negative posts
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:02 pm
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Trolls troll because they enjoy the attention and they enjoy making people mad. The way to infuriate the troll is to simply ignore it. Go to User Control Panel, add them as a "Foe" and you won't see their posts any more. It's really as easy as that. I've not been here long and I've already got people on ignore, my life's easier, my blood pressure is lower and I don't feel the need to fan the flames of their online idiocy.

"Deny them the oxygen of publicity" as someone once said.

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They are missed by those who have conversed with them on this Forum
True dat, Rollie.


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I've not been here long and I've already got people on ignore, my life's easier, my blood pressure is lower and I don't feel the need to fan the flames of their online idiocy.
I think some people might be quite surprised if they saw some of the names on my "click" list.

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Post subject: Re: negative posts
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:06 pm
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I think some people might be quite surprised if they saw some of the names on my "click" list.

Everybody's opinion has value to me. I don't keep a click list. I keep an open mind!

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For you and me, when all such things agree."

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:10 pm
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:lol: :lol:

Sneaky guy that Russ.
Look at him fishing to find out if he's on the list.

Not yet, bro but keep it up, you might make it yet...

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:23 pm
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Just the other day I was thinking about Lomitus/Jim and others who haven't been around here for ages,I'm glad to see that he wasn't spirited away by aliens.Jim was always ready to give spirited input of his views that I often found entertaining even if I didn't fully agree with them.

Anyway I have found that the best place for a negative post is on a car battery.

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:29 pm
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
BMW-KTM wrote:
I think some people might be quite surprised if they saw some of the names on my "click" list.

Everybody's opinion has value to me. I don't keep a click list. I keep an open mind!

"Different eyes see different things,
Different hearts beat on different strings.
But there are times
For you and me, when all such things agree."

Geddy Lee


+1
Although sometimes you need to know when to cut your losses.

"In my life
Why do I give valuable time
To people who don't care if I live or I die."

The Smiths.

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Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:33 pm
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guitslinger wrote:
Just the other day I was thinking about Lomitus/Jim and others who haven't been around here for ages,I'm glad to see that he wasn't spirited away by aliens.Jim was always ready to give spirited input of his views that I often found entertaining even if I didn't fully agree with them.


Hey dude...thanks for the kind words. Actually the main reason I was away for so long was mainly just life. Back in 2008, my mother had been diagnosed with cancer again...her 6th battle with it and she passed away in Oct of 2009. Literally two months after that, my father fell and broke his hip...the -day- he finished p.t., my brother went into an emergency room for a ruptured colon. 2 months after that, my wife lost her job. Then trying to turn something negative into something positive, we both went back to college...her for a couple more programming certificates and me for an Associates Degree in Art...until recently I've been doing the full time student thing again. I'm on hiatus at the moment because of even more family problems...80 year old pipes exploded on the second floor of the house back in Feb, had to get a new roof put on the house over the summer (which blew off again during the hurricane...that still sounds weird...hurricanes in Ohio) and then in late Oct, Dad collapsed...been in and out of ICU's and LTACs ever since. That said, -if- I can get more funding, while I only need three specific classes for my degree at this point, there's still a good 8 or 10 more art classes and such that I really do want to take...3D Modeling & Animation 2, Linear and Non-Linear editing, Graphics Design I, II and III, maybe a couple more psych courses, etc.. Oh yea...and I joined a Southern Rock band this past year too! Been playin' out about 3 times a month.

So yea...wow...just had a -really- full plate over the past few years. Just not a lot of time for guitars until recently let alone forums. And now with the Dad stuff...the guitars, working on them and playing, are at least keeping my hands and mind busy...about my only real grasp on sanity at the moment.

Anyways...yea...I'm a pain in the butt, but I'm glad someone finds me amusing :-) Again thanks for the kind words!

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Post subject: Re: negative posts
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:35 pm
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socal323 wrote:
RCB-CA-USA wrote:
BMW-KTM wrote:
I think some people might be quite surprised if they saw some of the names on my "click" list.

Everybody's opinion has value to me. I don't keep a click list. I keep an open mind!

"Different eyes see different things,
Different hearts beat on different strings.
But there are times
For you and me, when all such things agree."

Geddy Lee


+1
Although sometimes you need to know when to cut your losses.

"In my life
Why do I give valuable time
To people who don't care if I live or I die."

The Smiths.

:wink:

"Indeed, a study of history shows over and over that people don't realize how close they may be to a positive turning point ... if they just persist."

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Post subject: Re: negative posts
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:34 pm
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It's great to have a discussion about something you are passionate about, as long as it is civilized. Some people are able to and others immediately set about personally attacking. It would be great to have more of the former and less of the latter.

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Post subject: Re: negative posts
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:35 pm
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Some people are able to and others immediately set about personally attacking.

That's exactly it in a nutshell. Debates can be interesting and informative as long as nobody starts slinging mud or throwing around names and generalisations. I usually start reading one of those threads with interest but it doesn't last long before somebody crosses a line and I lose interest. The problem is when you're dealing with topics like religion and politics many people seem to lose their ability to control themselves and argue rationally without insult. In my opinion the very second someone makes it into a personal attack that's the second they lose all credibility but unfortunately it's also a time when they can never be convinced they have lost credibility so they just keep shouting louder. It's the surest sign of a weak argument when someone resorts to trying to make the other look foolish or insult them rather than taking the high ground and winning on merit alone. When I see that behavior, that's when I tune them out. It stops mattering to me what they have to say because their behavior makes everything they say null and void. I also tune them out when it becomes obvious that they aren't really thinking about or honestly considering the opposing viewpoint but rather are simply waiting for their turn to spit out some more party rhetoric. If it becomes obvious that they have their little secret stash of arguments that they can bring out on cue without even stopping to consider what someone else is trying to say that's when I stop listening. They can't expect to be taken seriously if they do not extend the same courtesy and take other viewpoints seriously.

If winning the argument is more important to someone than having a meaningful conversation and learning something in the process then that person is not to be respected but should rather be pitied.

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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:07 am
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Does this mean I can't call someone a pooh-pooh-head?

Honestly, I do agree that things get way too carried away on forums, not just this one. It seems like once it starts it just keeps getting more and more nasty. Some moderators just kill threads like that and while that does work I don't know that it is the only solution.

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tomhintz wrote:
Some moderators just kill threads like that and while that does work I don't know that it is the only solution.

Maybe not the only one but the best one without a doubt. This isn't the only guitar forum out there. This one does have the benefit of being the official Fender forum. If you look at the other ones out there that have withstood the test of time they are almost unilaterally the ones that demonstrate zero tolerance for religious or political argument. Most of them do have the other big problem that frequently plagues guitar forums; ie. the good old boys club mentality. I see the early signs of that particular decay beginning to happen here and I'm not really sure what can be done about it. That's a different issue, though. On the subject of heated arguments the best defense is nipping it in the bud every single time. Once people begin to realise they can't have the fights they love so much here on this forum they will leave and find another forum where they can satisfy their need to fight and stir up dissention. That's the ideal situation because why in the world would we want those people here in the first place? Even if they do have someting to contribute I for one don't want them here.

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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:13 am
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tomhintz wrote:
Some moderators just kill threads like that and while that does work I don't know that it is the only solution.


As I've stated in other posts, I'm here to learn and share. Part of my Fender and musical experience is to discuss life altogether, everything music -- life, the basis of all songs. History and current events effect my Fender experience, my music, my lyrics, and my poetry, so I believe I'm firmly within in the policies (loosely written rules) of the site when discussing history and current events, even politics as politics effects everything, including Fender and music.

Can I discuss and discern this information elsewhere in relation to *my* musical and Fender experience? No, because my peers are here on the Fender forum and others have complimented me for my contributions, contributions others complain about.

Do my posts interfere with the site? I believe not. We all have the choice to either read or not read a thread. Some stuff offends me, but you don't hear me complaining to Fender if something offends me as I respect everybody's right to free speech.

Whenever the good ol' boys rant about political topics they don't agree with, that's them interfering with information they simply disagree with or are in denial over, their motives are clearly political in nature. Cow-towing to them and censoring relevant information I present is political in and of itself and therefore contradicts the "rules" because their political whims interfere with my relevant contributions to the overall forum.

Some good-hearted people engage in topics they don't expect to go the direction they lead to and then complain. If they don't want controversy, they should think about what they are posting before they create a thread or post in a thread.

In yet another locked thread, even Brad mentions there were zero complaints, plus people complimented me for my contributions. The thread was and is obviously interesting relevant to our Fender and musical experience but the thread got locked anyways. This is sad, so sad.

Again, this is all about free speech and everything music and everything Fender.

Let freedom ring.

I think the solution is; if you don't like a topic that relates to your musical experience, find another thread that does. Locking threads because somebody disagrees with issues raised, that's fascist censorship and clear violation of our free speech and the forum policies!

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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
tomhintz wrote:
Some moderators just kill threads like that and while that does work I don't know that it is the only solution.


As I've stated in other posts, I'm here to learn and share. Part of my Fender and musical experience is to discuss life altogether, everything music -- life, the basis of all songs. History and current events effect my Fender experience, my music, my lyrics, and my poetry, so I believe I'm firmly within in the policies (loosely written rules) of the site when discussing history and current events, even politics as politics effects everything, including Fender and music.

Can I discuss and discern this information elsewhere in relation to *my* musical and Fender experience? No, because my peers are here on the Fender forum and others have complimented me for my contributions, contributions others complain about.

Do my posts interfere with the site? I believe not. We all have the choice to either read or not read a thread. Some stuff offends me, but you don't hear me complaining to Fender if something offends me as I respect everybody's right to free speech.

Whenever the good ol' boys rant about political topics they don't agree with, that's them interfering with information they simply disagree with or are in denial over, their motives are clearly political in nature. Cow-towing to them and censoring relevant information I present is political in and of itself and therefore contradicts the "rules" because their political whims interfere with my relevant contributions to the overall forum.

Some good-hearted people engage in topics they don't expect to go the direction they lead to and then complain. If you don't want controversy, they should think about what they are posting before they create a thread or post in a thread.

In yet another locked thread, even Brad mentions there was zero complaints, plus people complimented me, yet the thread was very helpful to some and there was an active, polite conversation going outside of the politicos who either disagree with or are in denial of the facts and attempted to squash free speech by trolling the thread with baseless facts and hostile comments.

Again, this is all about free speech and everything music and everything Fender.

Let freedom ring.

I think the solution is; if you don't like a topic that relates to your musical experience, find another thread that does. Locking threads because somebody disagrees with issues raise, that's fascist censorship and clear violation of our free speech!

As I have stated you have a right to free speech, but there is no right to be heard or listened to. Learn it, love it, live it.


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