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Post subject: Re: i feel bad about poor kids not having guitars.
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:44 am
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You could also donate guitars etc. to your local center for battered and abused women,they often leave their abusive situations along with their kids in the middle of the night with little more than the clothes on their backs.A guitar or even a cheap harp could do wonders to help raise the spirits of a child coming from that kind of environment. We've given furniture,T.Vs bikes and just about anything you can think of to the local women's shelter and the feeling of satisfaction that you get from this has no equal.

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Post subject: Re: i feel bad about poor kids not having guitars.
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:10 pm
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tvr1979 wrote:
No butt nugget, your taxes paid for your (if you have one), and your children's education, your streets and parks, and the public services that create a society and a functioning country.

For every one of my (any your) tax dollars to the Federal Government, about 7.5 cents goes to social programs. So, if you made $50,000 and paid $6,225.00 in Federal income tax, approximately $465.00 went to these programs directly.
*These figures are based on 2008 Census info and from the Office of Management and Budget-Table 8.1, page 133 on income distribution. PM me if you want a link.
And the university that I attended was not a taxpayer funded school.


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Post subject: Re: i feel bad about poor kids not having guitars.
Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:34 pm
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jnastyNE wrote:
tvr1979 wrote:
No butt nugget, your taxes paid for your (if you have one), and your children's education, your streets and parks, and the public services that create a society and a functioning country.

For every one of my (any your) tax dollars to the Federal Government, about 7.5 cents goes to social programs. So, if you made $50,000 and paid $6,225.00 in Federal income tax, approximately $465.00 went to these programs directly.
*These figures are based on 2008 Census info and from the Office of Management and Budget-Table 8.1, page 133 on income distribution. PM me if you want a link.
And the university that I attended was not a taxpayer funded school.

^^ :lol:

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Post subject: Re: i feel bad about poor kids not having guitars.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:26 am
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Come to the UK, we have a scheme here where children can get interest-free loans on instruments: http://takeitaway.org.uk/what-is-take-it-away

(Not sure if that's a goverment-run scheme or set up by some kind of not-for profit or charity or whatever. Either way, it's pretty cool!)

Anyway, from a purely selfish standpoint, do we really want the extra competition from more guitarists? :wink: I already get frustrated at the legions of teenage kids on YouTube who can shred twice as fast as me despite having seemingly been playing for half as long. :?

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Post subject: Re: i feel bad about poor kids not having guitars.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:49 am
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I now realize philanthropy does have it limits...doesn't it? There had to have been times when even Jesus had to raise his hands and say "WHOA!!".


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Post subject: Re: i feel bad about poor kids not having guitars.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:23 am
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FF1, My last post was meant to be sarcastic. I don't consider my taxes to be a gift to to poor.


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Post subject: Re: i feel bad about poor kids not having guitars.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:25 am
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Tvr1979,
You have obviously never lived in the state of Connecticut.


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Post subject: Re: i feel bad about poor kids not having guitars.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:45 pm
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Sadly, the arts in today's local schools are sometimes cut because lack of money, teachers and resources. This topic would be on the backburner as food, shelter and clothing are main priorities for the poor.


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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 4:47 pm
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JimRussellMills30! wrote:
Sadly, the arts in today's local schools are sometimes cut because lack of money, teachers and resources. This topic would be on the backburner as food, shelter and clothing are main priorities for the poor.

True, but the idiots who run the school district we recently left built a new high school with an indoor (football) practice facility, an indoor Olympic-sized swimming pool, and three separate gyms (instead of the traditional "girl's" and "boy's" gyms)...they said these amenities were necessary to give their athletes every chance to get scholarships...

...and then they decided to limit the number of "unnecessary" courses such as Art, Spanish and Music to pay for this crap; the initial plan was to lay off one or two of these teachers at each of the nine elementary schools, due to budget shortfalls.

I pointed out that less than ten athletes per year got big scholarships in our school district, while every kid would benefit from art, music and Spanish instruction (especially Spanish)...the virulent response against the idea of laying off these "unnecessary" teachers was met by an equally virulent response by the Jock Strap Coalition, who worship at the alter of Tom Landry.

They ultimately laid off the full-time school registered nurses and replaced them with LVNs and medical assistants...whom nobody trusted to give medicine to their children, so the ultimate answer was bad, too.

Our team didn't make the playoffs that year, either. Hmm.

If you want to make a difference for poor people (kids, adults, whatever), don't expect the government or a charity to do it right or do it well. Do it yourself...at least you'll know where the money is going.

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Post subject: Re: i feel bad about poor kids not having guitars.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:23 pm
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tvr1979 wrote:
No butt nugget, your taxes paid for your (if you have one), and your children's education, your streets and parks, and the public services that create a society and a functioning country.


Then it's ironic that in the age before outrageous taxes (and wastrel government spending at virtually every level) that we managed to "create a society and a functioning country" at all.

I'm so choked up with the emotion of the moment, excuse me while I grab a fresh kleenex......

I was one of those "poor kids". I could never afford a decent Fender combo amp growing up. But I could afford an amp head. So I learned how to build my own speaker cabinets so I'd have a rig to jam on with my equally-impoverished buddies. Along that path, I learned about tools -- how to use them, how to care for them, how different materials reacted with one another during construction. When I'd finally wrung all that was wringable from my crappy hand-me-down Gibson Melody Maker, I slaved all summer to earn enough to buy a decent axe. I milked cows, baled hay, mowed yards, delivered newspapers astride my Schwinn to afford that first Stratocaster all by myself (cue violins). And because of that, I learned to respect the instrument and to treat it with the care and attention a fine guitar deserves. Give a kid a guitar in today's "Generation Y-bother" era and like as not, you'll find it a month later languishing under a bed with his dirty socks, at the bottom of a dusty broom closet, or out on the porch with the other toys that the kid lost interest in.

Spare me the piousness.

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Post subject: Re: i feel bad about poor kids not having guitars.
Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:04 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
tvr1979 wrote:
No butt nugget, your taxes paid for your (if you have one), and your children's education, your streets and parks, and the public services that create a society and a functioning country.


Then it's ironic that in the age before outrageous taxes (and wastrel government spending at virtually every level) that we managed to "create a society and a functioning country" at all.

I'm so choked up with the emotion of the moment, excuse me while I grab a fresh kleenex......

I was one of those "poor kids". I could never afford a decent Fender combo amp growing up. But I could afford an amp head. So I learned how to build my own speaker cabinets so I'd have a rig to jam on with my equally-impoverished buddies. Along that path, I learned about tools -- how to use them, how to care for them, how different materials reacted with one another during construction. When I'd finally wrung all that was wringable from my crappy hand-me-down Gibson Melody Maker, I slaved all summer to earn enough to buy a decent axe. I milked cows, baled hay, mowed yards, delivered newspapers astride my Schwinn to afford that first Stratocaster all by myself (cue violins). And because of that, I learned to respect the instrument and to treat it with the care and attention a fine guitar deserves. Give a kid a guitar in today's "Generation Y-bother" era and like as not, you'll find it a month later languishing under a bed with his dirty socks, at the bottom of a dusty broom closet, or out on the porch with the other toys that the kid lost interest in.

Spare me the piousness.

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Reminds me of how I got my Tele. Only yours was more gruesome and manly. I'll be mowing lawns all summer the things I want. My neighborhood has small houses and big plots of land. The average mowing company charges $200 a mow. I charge $50... Imagine the territory I could control... :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: i feel bad about poor kids not having guitars.
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:42 am
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Mark Knopfler had to wait a long time to get his first Stratocaster. And then he had to wait again until he got an amp.

This thread was started by someone who owns too many guitars already.

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