It is currently Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:47 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 71 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Author Message
Post subject:
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:07 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician

Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 6:28 pm
Posts: 1956
Surveys - we don't need no stinkin' surveys!


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject:
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:29 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:55 am
Posts: 302
Location: Oneida, NY
As a professional musician for the last 44 years I have done my share of touring. This abomination reminds me of trying to reach a destination and constantly ending up on a one-way street going the wrong way. The people of Maine have a saying: "You can't get there from here.... " I used to think that was a joke...... I don't anymore. I might as well have asked someone who plays by ear to chart out a song........ or better yet, ask a classical guitarist if I could borrow a pick, LOL. Normally, a simple question expects a simple answer...... both Art Linkletter and Bill Cosby repeatedly discovered that it isn't always the case. The fault lies not in the query, but in the quagmire.


Last edited by Guitarman1117 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:28 am, edited 1 time in total.

Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:55 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:31 am
Posts: 940
Guitarman1117 wrote:
As a professional musician for the last 44 years I have done my share of touring. This abomination reminds me of trying to reach a destination and constantly ending up on a one-way street going the wrong way. The people of Maine have a saying: "You can't get there from here.... " I used to think that was a joke...... I don't anymore. I might as well have asked someone who plays by ear to chart out a song........ or better yet, ask a classical guitarist if I could borrow a pick, LOL. Normally, a simple question expects a simple answer...... both Art Linkletter and Bill Cosby repeatedly discovered that it isn't always the case. The fault lies not in the query, but in the quagmire.[/b]


No, the fault is in the query.

You want to know why they didn't mention other brands of guitars, a fairly meaningless question in light of the purpose of the survey.

I told you three times that isn't the point of the survey, that you don't seem to understand the point of the survey or how they work, and that they had even given you the opportunity to mention ANY BRAND THAT CAME TO YOUR MIND, thereby negating your problem with the list.

But you didn't like that answer, and seemed to be expecting that something else was going to happen, and you still seem real upset that it didn't.


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:17 am
Online
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:40 pm
Posts: 2594
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
I love you guys to death, but ya'll are thinking WAY too hard about this topic. It's a simple branding survey that positions Fender against a small list of comparative brands, a list that was no doubt compiled in 15 minutes by someone over at Harris who plays golf and not guitar. :-) In short, don't worry too much if your comparative brand of choice wasn't included.

_________________
Director at Fender. Guitarist & guitar collector. All views/opinions expressed here are my own and not Fender’s.

Follow me on Instagram:
@brad_on_guitar

And on Facebook:
facebook.com/bradonguitar


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:38 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:55 am
Posts: 302
Location: Oneida, NY
I only asked a simple question about a small part of the survey. The issue keeps being blown out of proportion to encompass the entire survey and it's collective purpose. Apparently the 'Art & Bill' reference was not understood either...... Hello? Is this microphone on?

Have you ever started down a road that seemed to be heading in the direction you wanted to go and then it curves 90 to 180 degrees away with no junctures...... you keep going in hopes it will eventually wind back the right way, but it never does? You end up farther from your goal then when you started...... Frustrating, isn't it?

Seems to me that there are two types of people in this world..... those who go with the flow and those who get a kick out of going against the grain. I guess there are times when a curiosity dies on the vine...... like asking a sewer plant employee if they can swim. And since golf was mentioned, here's another query for you: Do you use black balls when you play in the snow?


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:47 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:47 pm
Posts: 4294
Location: Somewhere near Seattle
Wow. It was just a simple survey. There's way too much emotion invested in this.

_________________
"is that a real poncho...i mean
Is that a mexican poncho
Or is that a sears poncho?
Hmmm...no foolin ...." FZ


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:11 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:55 am
Posts: 302
Location: Oneida, NY
Thanks, I think you said it better than I did. I guess my original question was soooooo dumb that the nuts just oozed from the woodwork, with no other squirrels but me to suffer the mess; all after I became road kill. Maybe I should take up teaching the blind to be photographers. Kind of makes the term 'dark room' a bit redundant, eh? LOL
I've never rafted down a river, but I can imagine being prepared for some rapids and end up plunging over the falls. Sort of what this ride was like.


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:21 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:47 pm
Posts: 4294
Location: Somewhere near Seattle
It gets like this sometimes on message boards. People trying to communicate by typing,without the aid of vocal inflections and body language, easily misread the intent. A simple facetious joke can be read as an insult and then it just spirals from there. It's happened to all of us who hang on the boards.

_________________
"is that a real poncho...i mean
Is that a mexican poncho
Or is that a sears poncho?
Hmmm...no foolin ...." FZ


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:45 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:55 am
Posts: 302
Location: Oneida, NY
Yes.... how right you are. Such things are worse in chat rooms, but unless one actually knows the person, even IMs and eMails can waste time with having to explain & re-explain what they tried to say the first time.

Everyone is entitled to a POV..... the problem with flat text is like the old story of the blind men describing the elephant. Then again, if a reference or word is included that the reader doesn't relate to, the point only opens a hole in the balloon (of cartoon verbiage) and all the (hot) air just (blows)fog up the GLass.


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:33 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:02 pm
Posts: 718
I don't remember but I think I just deleted it. I hate surveys. Fender should drop the abominable Starcaster though and put that in the Squier brand. I thought the Squier brand was for the cheap stuff? My "crafted in China" Squier definitely is.


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:39 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:47 pm
Posts: 4294
Location: Somewhere near Seattle
strat58cat wrote:
I don't remember but I think I just deleted it. I hate surveys. Fender should drop the abominable Starcaster though and put that in the Squier brand. I thought the Squier brand was for the cheap stuff? My "crafted in China" Squier definitely is.


I'm still pissed they took the Starcaster name and put it on that pile of scrap wood and wire.

_________________
"is that a real poncho...i mean
Is that a mexican poncho
Or is that a sears poncho?
Hmmm...no foolin ...." FZ


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Mid-March '08 Fender Survey
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:13 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:35 am
Posts: 388
Guitarman1117 wrote:
I just took the newest survey and was disappointed to see that certain brands of guitars were left out (excluded?) from the list. I was extremely surprised that Parker and B.C. Rich were not there and just as mystified that some very 'low-end' &/or odd brands were included. I realize some guitars like Travis Bean, Danelectro, Dan Armstrong, Burns, Dillion or Mosrite might not make the list but what happened to G&L, etc? If you have taken the survey, what guitar makers-brands did you feel were over-looked on the (too narrowly focused?) list as an unavailable choice?


Agree with you. Parker & BC Rich are great guitars too.
For the past few years, I had only seen my friend/guitar tutor Abdul Rani played
with 3 guitars
(1)Strat
(2)BC Rich Explorer
(3)Parker Fly


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:47 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:55 am
Posts: 302
Location: Oneida, NY
Thanks Eddy....... now, on with the 'festivities': :D

crying strat wrote:
Quote:
I'm still pissed they took the Starcaster name and put it on that pile of scrap wood and wire.


Since the 'discussion' has taken a turn for the better and we are actually posting the pros & cons of specific brands, (which isn't that far off from the original post), I have two brand comparisons for your reading interest:

1) I've known a few die-hard Strat players who actually prefer some of the better Squier Strats over the lower end (but a bit higher priced) Fenders. They have told me they feel they are getting better quality for the same or less money. Plus, with such savings, they can afford a much better case. Up-grades can be done that are easily dealt with a bit at a time. THE main thing is to ALWAYS check out & acquire any guitar in person. Few brands of guitars can satisfactorily be bought on-line.

I was in a music store in the summer of '06 and saw a nice H/S/S Squier Strat on the wall. I reached up and loosely griped the neck, sliding my hand from the nut to the heal with NO BLOOD! (LOL) After my own sacrificial test of how well the frets had been dressed, I took it down and played it. Noting the neck felt as good as some Fenders, and that it had really nice action, I plugged it into a Fender Twin amp. After a while, I ended up putting money down on it right then and there. I picked it up (with a decent HSC) several weeks later and (obviously) still have it.

2) In my life I have owned 27 guitars (so far), which include 10 Fenders: 3 Mustangs, 2 Teles, a Tele Bass & a Jazz Bass, plus 2 other Strats. I've also owned 5 Gibsons, 2 Hamers, an Ovation, 2 Mosrites, 2 Rics, a Tobias 5, a PRS, a Parker & a couple others. I currently own 4 guitars: (The Squier Strat I previously mentioned), a 1972 Custom-built Maple-Glo Deluxe Ric-12 Byrd, a red Parker H/S/S NiteFly and an '86 Cherry Wine 1-piece body PRS w/ the 'sweet switch'. Yet as nice and smooth as my PRS is, I can vouch for the ads that claim the SE plays and sounds as good as the standard PRS models. I've never played a REAL Santana model (the $7,200+ ones, that don't have the usual PRS headstock), so I can't make any comparisons there. BUT, even here in the face of Fender, I have to admit the SE line is super nice and well worth the money. However, I do wish Fender would make either a Strat or a Tele style guitar w/ Mustang's 3/4 Scale Neck. The thing I liked about Gibson was the 3/4" less stretch in playability, but the heft of an LP just made a shoulder rut. I really like the scale on the PRS, it holds tune VERY well and it's not that heavy. Of course the Parker's heft is barely noticeable and it REALLY stays in tune. I use the PRS for everything from medium kick Santana material to full-tilt ZZ Top. The Parker works well on ballads in either clean or acoustic modes, plus many up-tempo old rock songs. Naturally, the Strat has a tone all it's own as does the Ric-12. You may think it is a pain dragging around 4 axes, dealing with strings and tune-ups, etc. and you'd be right...... I'd love to own a VG Strat instead.... BUT, having a spare when a string breaks or a good friend sets in on your gig does make it worth while. Besides, if I am going to spend that kind of money on a VG and retire certain other guitars, I'd rather put a bit more into a VG that WON'T buzz in regular mode (Lace or Noiseless?), has a roller nut, AUTO-Locking tuners and a pop-in tremolo arm. Is that too much to ask? Another thing: I am waiting for the digital electronics to be user-programmable AND a newer system to be tether-powered IF I choose NOT to invest in a warehouse full of batteries. (I have been told by VG owners that they eat batteries like a hungry monster.) So..... until then, I'll stick with what I have.
NOTE to Fender:
Such a VGX might as well be a triple sunburst with gold-plated hardware.


Last edited by Guitarman1117 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:07 pm, edited 4 times in total.

Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:01 pm
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:03 pm
Posts: 1222
Location: Texas
zod wrote:
Surveys remind me of Family Feud.....

Image

.....And Richard Dawson was a Mack!


AMEN ZOD!!!!


Top
Profile
Post subject:
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:24 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:28 am
Posts: 414
Splat.


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 71 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: