I don't smoke, actually. Nice try though.

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

That's the thing though; the only ones who actually object to it are, most of the time, the BIG names of yesteryear, and are no longer truly relevant. And even then, many of those artists realize there is nothing but good in piracy.

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

Them that can, should. Them what don't, should have the option.

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"Another day in paradise!"

This thread has drifted far off into whether we know not to pirate other people's copyrighted property, we're all musician's here and treat each other and everyone else with respect in that manner. I like youtube because I post video's of bands that I listen to all the time but wouldn't download them or abuse the privilege, I have over 400 songs on my channel at youtube but that is were they stay. The issue is will government take advantage of us all using copyright infringement as an excuse. The best example is the TSA which has become a huge problem and another parasitic entity created because our states and municipalities, private transportation companies and airlines wouldn't take the initiative to help themselves and us. So, now we have another huge unmanageable government run unionized parasite that keeps getting bigger and larger and less efficient and out of control that will never stop sucking down tax dollars, ever ever ever. Just try to end it for any reason no matter how good the reason it can't be stopped. The thread is about not creating another economic disaster like that one, please, we're not a socialist country governments don't create anything, with the exception of the first American government that created our Constitution, a beautiful perfectly developed law which along with the Bill Of Rights has been under attack by every government elected since that first group of Americans. Stay on the subject if possible.

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you can save the world with your guitar one love song at a time it's just better, more fun, easier with a fender solid body electric guitar or electric bass guitar.

i'm not bothering with this thread anymore

itd seem that the older folks just cant seem to comorehend that the music industry has rapidly changed

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Collective Soul.
Typical situation. New band. Record deal. Label takes every dime and leaves the band penniless. Band has to fight tooth and nail to make a dime during subsequent projects but eventually gets out of the red and into the black despite efforts by the label to continue plundering the band. Even with piracy the label makes a killing while the band suffers but not due to piracy, due to big corp. Piracy ultimately proves inocuous to either party's situation here.

Metallica.
A well established power to be reckoned with within their genre. Power goes to their heads at the peak of their popularity and they sue Napster and win, bankrupting Napster. Fans react negatively and in many instances boo the band when playing live. Good thing they won the lawsuit because their careers were essentially over at least in part due to the fans' reaction to the suit. The other partial reasons were a missing Newsted who left the band officially "to pursue private interests" but was also widely rumoured to have been in violent opposition to the Napster suit, as well as the band's decision to eliminate guitar solos further inciting the already angry fans. I for one boycotted them in anger after the suit and I don't even pirate music or movies and never have. In this case piracy never hurt the band or the label one little iota but their law suit against piracy was at least partially responsible for the band's failure to do anything of significance afterward. They are now a distant memory. Did they learn their lesson? Prolly not. That type of mind set is usually permanent despite being fatal.

Rhetoric.
The continual whining by people who fail to interpret the signs of the times and have no real concept of how the industry operates anymore but still feel compelled to speak out anyway even though nothing of what they say makes a lick of sense.

I don't pirate music or movies for my own personal reasons which do not bear on this discussion.

As far as I am concerned reading this discussion has been a waste of my time as is almost any discussion that people jump on just so they can promote their politics. I'm done here. Feel free to bash me all you like in my absence. I should have let my interest in this thread drop once Brad showed me Fender was not involved in SOPA.

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Just think of how awesome a guitar player you could have been by now if you had only spent the last 10 years practicing instead of obsessing over pickups and roasted maple necks.

Astute observation, I must say, the discussion or rather the argument still is about the definition of Piracy...Dismissing the definition, or the fact that it is widely prevalent, does not justify or legitimize the practice....
Thank You for your wide brushstroke of the older Folks must get on with the times.....
That the Music industry has changed since I was a teenager.... DUH...Brilliant...I would not have noticed without your Astute Observation.....
If you want to be Crass, I'll be just as engaging but this is not where a civil discussion/dispute should go....Let's keep it in context...OK...

Obviously Floyd and others like yourself refuse to recognize Piracy, believe that it is good for the collective and therefore a better future will emerge.....Sounds to me like a Digital version of the Woodstock Mindset.....
The concept is " THEFT " Pure and Simple, you may advocate for this at the moment but I would be willing to bet that when it is your property that is stolen you will be singing a very different tune.....
Just to be clear, I wished that when I was 15-16 it would have been possible to hop on my Mac and download Music that appealed to me, that would have saved much legwork.. I greatly appreciate the ability to do so today, However I also want to be sure that what I'm downloading is legit, not stolen or misappropriated or pirated or whatever pleasant sounding definition suits you.

It isn't about Old Versus Young, it is about living in a Society which demands that all respect other's properties, I personally do not wish to live in Anarchy but I guess I'm too old to understand.

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"C'est parti mon Kiki "

You don't even have to download anything just post a link to where you can, Mums the word pirates, should I go back and start deleting any (unbeknownst to me at the time Guv Honest) suspect youtube vids or should I just stay here in the celler till things die down
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/01 ... 04319.html

I'm an old guy and I understand piracy completely. The music industry has put tens of thousands of production people out of work too. When I was a kid, it was vinyl with all this incredible art work with lyrics, then 8 tracks, cassettes, CD's and now files. All those graphic artists, and factory workers were laid off, record stores are gone too. The record company couldn't give a ratsass about them. We used to swap cassettes when we were kids and nobody called it piracy.

Now, they made it so easy. It's a computer file, easily transmitted so they can sell one song at a time with virtually no production costs except the studio time, and now, with a computer and a minimal amount of gear, you can do it at home. Stealing other peoples work is wrong period. If you're a young guy and think it's okay, you have no morals. It makes you a common thief.

On the other hand, so are the people who produce this stuff. Selling files with no packaging, artwork or even a store. They don't have anywhere near the overhead they had, and they still cry poor mouth while charging an arm and a leg for concert tickets. You can't even hold the product in your hand unless you burn it to CD that you have to purchase yourself. I don't buy new music. I don't like most of it anyway.

You guys want to hear some great free music? Go to
www.wolfgangsvault.com

You can buy stuff or listen to complete concerts for FREE!!!!!

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Life...... It's sexually transmitted and always fatal

What he said above.

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Washburn AB-34 Acoustic bass
Bergantino Forte Amp
Peterson VS-II Strobe Tuner
Moody Straps
Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny. FZ.

Also, I find it hilarious that anyone still thinks SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, etc. are actually about piracy.

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

It's all about censoring the internet period.

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Life...... It's sexually transmitted and always fatal

It makes me sick that anyone actually thinks that's a good thing.

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies