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Post subject: Re: Ludwig Van Beethoven
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:46 pm
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There is a 5 CD set of Herbert Von Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic doing all 9 of Beethoven's Symphonies.This set is on Deutsche Grammophon label and is considered the standard against which all other recordings of these works are judged.I have quite a large amount of Beethoven's works and another one of them has a very young protege Anne-Sophie Mutter being directed by a very old Herbert Von Karajan with the Berlin Philharmonic-again on Deutsche Grammophon.Classical music isn't the boring music for old fuddy duddies it is well worth every musicians time to sit down and give a serious listen to classical music especially music for 2 to 4 or more instruments to get a sense of harmonies as the same rules apply for harmonies in classical music as they do for contemporary music.Music for String quartets are a goldmine for people who want to study harmony Mozart was the father of the string quartet and has written some beautiful work.



Hmmm...!!! Anne Sophie Mutter.....Well Guitslinger..... :shock: I never would have guessed
Since we're on the subject of Miss Mutter...She also Recorded Beethoven's Violin Sonatas with Lambert Orkis, a 4 disc recording with the option of being able to print out the musical score.
There is also the Concerto for Violin and Orchestra in D Major OP.61 with the New York Philharmonic led by Kurt Masur.

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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:26 pm
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Further regarding Anne Sophie Mutter:There is also another 2 CD set of her doing all 5 Mozart Violin Concerti.This is a fabulous recording and she's the only person who could ever come as close to doing the wonderful interpretation of the Concerti as Itzhak Perlman. This set is also on Deutsche Grammaphon and is worth buying just to hear her doing the Adagio from the Violin Concerto No.3 in d D Maj.The Itzhak Perlman cover of these concerti could also bring tears to a marble lion.The CD I mentioned earlier was done when Anne-Sophie was only 16 and Von Karajan was a very old man.Von Karajan was respected and feared by the musical community-respected by the audiences who flocked to watch the incredible control he held on the podium and feared by all those who had to face him and his baton on the stage.He was a tyrant when on the podium and demanded nothing less than absolute perfection.The results of his bullying often came the way of rave reviews and standing ovations from adoring patrons.The fact that Anne Sophie was placed on a pedestal by Von Karajan only goes to show the incredible talent that she was when only 16.

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Post subject: Re: Ludwig Van Beethoven
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:04 am
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Over the years I have collected most of Anne Sophie Mutter's recordings except for a couple of the early one's......Depending on the mood, I often play her version of Vivaldi's Four Seasons as well as Nadja Salerno Sonnenberg's and Kia Wa Chung...All three are incredibly varied in their interpretations, Sonnenberg's being as energetic and wild whereas Mutter's reflects a mellower cozy sort of embrace.....
Needless to say my collection of Classical Music covers a wide field of chamber music to full symphonies. I have always said that were I given a listening choice as to only one form of music, Classical would win hands down. Progressive Rock attempts to emulate Classical but it isn't a fair fight....

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Post subject: Re: Ludwig Van Beethoven
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:34 am
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Aha, that fragment of score reveals itself to be that most famous of Beethoven's symphonic intros.. :wink:

As someone who is also a classical guitar player, I'm pleased to see that one person here has name checked Gaspar Sanz and Carulli, thus identifing 2 great names in guitar music composition.

And the Renaisance era - also mentioned - throws up John Dowland and a few others. Another golden age for guitar music through transcriptions of music written for the lute. It's actually my favourite era - I play a lot of pieces from this period. I love the crispness and clarity of music from this time - before orchestration became so heavy and complex so as to partially obscure the integrity of the melody and the basic harmony.

As for great guitar solos - listen to some Paganini who was shredding for the violin long before tube amps were invented! I understand Vai particularly has transcribed some of his furious, technique driven music for the electric guitar.

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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:56 am
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RE Paganini's 24 Caprices: Eliot Fisk has done an incredible job of transcribing Paganini's 24 Caprices.The way he uses harmonics,hammer-ons and other fretboard pyrotechnics is just mind boggling-it's no mystery why Eliot Fisk was one of Segovia's prized protoges. If you like the work of Satriani,Vai and Malmsteen give a listen to the 24 Paganini Caprices transcribed by Eliot Fisk and find out where it all started.There are times that you'd think the man has 4 hands.

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Post subject: Re: Ludwig Van Beethoven
Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:35 pm
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Adey..
I have a #4 volume of a sheet-music collection By Orpheus, edited by Daniel Benko...
J. Abondante Intabolatura ( 1546 ) Edito Musica Budapest, it is Early Music for plucked Instruments.
It is all written for the Lute, all popular dances in Italy...

I also must mention Robert De Visee...Two Suites for Guitar in A Minor and E Minor.

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Post subject: Re: Ludwig Van Beethoven
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:01 am
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Hi Tochai: for a second when I saw your post I thought: no-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o! Then I clicked the link. Phew! :D

You a cellist, by any chance? Could there be a reason Mr Nutter also likes that Rob Paravonian vid? :|

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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:10 am
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Adey..
I have a #4 volume of a sheet-music collection By Orpheus, edited by Daniel Benko...
J. Abondante Intabolatura ( 1546 ) Edito Musica Budapest, it is Early Music for plucked Instruments.
It is all written for the Lute, all popular dances in Italy...

I also must mention Robert De Visee...Two Suites for Guitar in A Minor and E Minor.


Sounds like a good collection - must check out some Italian stuff. Most of the Renaissance era pieces I play are English. ("The Renaisance Guitar" anthology by Frederick Noad is still in print and is another great resource for guitarists.)

+1 on Robert de Visee.. But I think of him as more of a Baroque era guy. One of the better French exports! :wink: (j/k there Alain De France..)

I envy Cellists.. What a magnificent instrument it is.

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Post subject: Re: Ludwig Van Beethoven
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:11 am
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Ceri wrote:
Tochai wrote:

Hi Tochai: for a second when I saw your post I thought: no-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o! Then I clicked the link. Phew! :D

You a cellist, by any chance? Could there be a reason Mr Nutter also likes that Rob Paravonian vid? :|

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BTW: I wonder if Tessa is still reading this thread? If so, she certainly has plenty to think about now...

Cheers - C



Pachelbel really doesn't deliver on the cello front of things. :?


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Post subject: Re: Ludwig Van Beethoven
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:13 am
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Ceri wrote:
Tochai wrote:

Hi Tochai: for a second when I saw your post I thought: no-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o! Then I clicked the link. Phew! :D

You a cellist, by any chance? Could there be a reason Mr Nutter also likes that Rob Paravonian vid? :|

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BTW: I wonder if Tessa is still reading this thread? If so, she certainly has plenty to think about now...

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Oops..... :lol: ...We did kind of hijack it.... Didn't we... :?:
It's a topic I can not resist, a discussion on Classical Music in the Forum, It really gives more insight into the person rather than talking about just Contemporary music.....
Studying Etudes or Bach's Suite's, Mozart's Violin Sonata's....Carrulli's Etude's as well as the hundreds of transcribed pieces always gives me a breath of fresh air when I return to R&B and Rock....
I'm always attempting to inject the melodies into the conventional Blues format....Sometimes it works, other times it just needs more work..... :?

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Post subject: Re: Ludwig Van Beethoven
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:28 am
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Ceri wrote:
Tochai wrote:

Hi Tochai: for a second when I saw your post I thought: no-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o! Then I clicked the link. Phew! :D

You a cellist, by any chance? Could there be a reason Mr Nutter also likes that Rob Paravonian vid? :|



Pachelbel really doesn't deliver on the cello front of things. :?

Hee-hee! Regarding the feelings of cellists over Pachelbel's Canon, this vid is mildly funny too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dKCrKJ ... re=related

I used to regularly see a string quartet who played outside a cafe in Covent Garden. They endlessly ran through the popular hits; Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, Bolero - all that stuff. And every hour or so they'd get to the Canon in D... and the cellist would get this desperate look in his eye, like he was suddenly going to go wild, tear off his black tie, break his cello over the head of the leader and run away screaming. One sympathises.

BTW: a couple of posts earlier on about modulation. You only have to compare the dreary, repetitive little pattern in the Canon with absolutely anything Beethoven ever did to immediately understand what he had that was so far, far beyond.

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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:57 am
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After Pachelbel's Canon, I never had a desire to search out anything more from this composer... for some reason the only thing that comes to mind is that film clip of Bo Derek running down the beach while Dudley Moore haplessly looks on.... :shock:
Sort of like the Pekingese hoping for a stroll around the block with the Afghan..... :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Ludwig Van Beethoven
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:28 pm
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You a cellist, by any chance? Could there be a reason Mr Nutter also likes that Rob Paravonian vid? :|

No, just a cello sympathiser. :lol: As a bass player before a guitarist I understand their woes.

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Post subject: Re: Ludwig Van Beethoven
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:26 pm
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+1 for the 5 CD collection of Symphonies.

In this opinion, the past masters lived less complex lives (no i-phones or 300 cable channels) and were closer to, more genuine in their artistic pursuits.

Pretty much makes one pity us.


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