So Beethoven doesn't directly relate to guitars, but music as a whole, he does.
I'm doing a research project over him for English, and was listening of his compositions. He is a MUSICAL GENIUS!! to the max! I'm not huge in the classical piano music, but here lately, I've had a craving for it. This stuff is AMAZING! just think, this is kind of the start of music as we know it. and nobody gives it any credit. I for one try to do any power point or big project over some kind of historical musician so the 8 people in my class other than me, will have knowledge about musics history. Why? such a simple word, so many unknown answers. Why does society look down on everything real and good?

Anyways, I was wondering what your thoughts on music as a whole, Beethoven, or if you guys had any interesting facts about him I could include.

Tessa♥♥♥

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I can't put my feelings into words!
His music just says it all. He is absolutely extravagant! I think that word fits. words cannot describe his music. I am in awe listening to his compositions right now! How can one man be so BRILLIANT!
he wrote 9 symphonies, 7 concertos, 17 string quartets, 32 piano sonatas and 10 sonatas for violin and piano! (if my sources are correct) this guy is AMAZING!!!
Part of his life he was DEAF and writing this!
Can you imagine!?!?
Living proof of musics power. that's what he is.

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Um, not exactly living Tessa, but I agree %100 about the man's music.
It's great that you are broadening your musical tastes.
...and the deafness thing is pretty amazing too.

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If you had to pick someone to study you couldn't have picked a more significant subject. Beethoven's music is as much a part of 20th. century music/Rock as any contemporary song righter/composer you can think of. his music has influenced just about everyone at one time or another. It's nice to see such a young person have your kind of interest in music. keep up the good work.
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I agree with you. He was a musical genius. So good, that Stanley Kubrick used his musical score in the movie "Clockwork Orange" . . . . And through the course of time in cinema . . . You can still hear Ludwig Van!

Hi Tessa

Well... yes!



Erm; they kinda do. Beethoven is not a secret: one of the two or three most important and famous musicians in history.



It does? I've never met anyone who looks down on Beethoven. A surprising fact: more people go to classical music concerts than football matches. Beethove is quite well out there.



Absolutely. Couple of suggestions.

Guitar players looking to widen their horizons should most definitely be familiar with the Beethoven Violin Concerto. That's lead playing as good as it gets, from 150 years before anyone thought of electric guitar solos.

Another thing to pay attention to throughout Beethoven's music is his use of modulation. He is Mount Everest as far as that is concerned: nobody in history has done modulation like him either before or since. In the fullest sense of the word, a genius.

Last thing: if you get the chance to hear Beethoven's Ninth Symphony in the concert hall - take it! There is nothing on earth like that experience.

Now. Howzabout Mozart...?

Enjoy - C

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Incredible music, incredible composer.

His set of 9 nine symphonies recorded by a truly great orchestra under the baton of a brilliant conductor is one of my favourite CD Box sets.

You mentioned his deafness - his writing of the Moonlight Sonata shows him coming to terms with this condition. The tragedy and pathos of his situation pours out of that piece. The 2nd movement (the Adagio..) is my favourite piece of music, an emotional tour de force..

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I grew up on Classical music, as rock was not allowed in my house, I lived with my grandmother Aunt an Uncle in MC until I was Eleven, to this day I am grateful to have had that opportunity instead of just listening to R&R...
Classical Music allows you to understand modern music in it's context, I would go further back than Beethoven, back to the Baroque and Renaissance periods. As much as Paganini and Bach and Mozart have been influential in modern music, someone like Gaspar Sanz (1640-1710) or Carulli, would also be great insight into the classical era...

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He's not my favourite composer, in fact the Classical period (big C) is my least favourite of the periods of classical music (little c). I do really like his 4th and 7th symphonies though.
Definitely go back a bit further to the Baroque period and listen to some Bach, especially his organ works, and Handel.
Then fast forward just a few hundreds of years and listen to a few of Tchaikovsky's ballets.
I think the 20th century is where the fun really starts . Stravinsky is by far my favourite, "Rite of Spring" is about as good as it gets, also looks up Holst's "Mars Suite" and Jenkins' "Dies Irae".

That should keep you going for a while . Beethoven is definitely a good way to get into Classical music.

PS; Anyone like Pachelbel? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM

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But joking aside, Beethoven was and remains unreachable. A big Mozart fan himself. Which kind of answers Ceri's playful question about Mozart, I guess.

But seriously.... Pachelbel!?

ah well. To each his own!

Cheers -

Nutter

There are a few similarities between this link and the one I posted above...
Great minds think alike I guess, or at least nobody likes Pachelbel.

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I'm so sorry Tochai, I rudely ignored your link, I should have taken a look before posting. That's how far Pachelbel has brought me; I see his name and red flags go up, then I dive for a bucket, after which I consequently (and consistently!) post a link to said videogram. Again: Apologies. And once again I find myself applauding your tastes!

Carry on, folks, ignore me for now.



Cheers

Nutter

No worries. Heres a story you might enjoy. I was doing a music exam the other day, and they play you each piece that you're being asked about at least three times, so during the third playing of one question I had time to look ahead to the next question... It went something like this;

A). Put these three ostinatos in the order in which they appear (enter three violin ostinatos here)
B). What period would you place this piece in? Justify.
C). Name this piece and its composer.

You can tell good music by your ability to answer aural questions on it without hearing it, can't you?

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Every piece of music, from the 12th c. monestaries of western Europe to contemporary classical era music, modulates. Beethoven's immediate influence was the music of Haydn and Mozart. H and M mostly chose very safe modulations ie. from major keys to their relative minor or V , sometimes III and its relatives. H and M's modulations were more restrained than Beethoven's. Their compositions were influenced by the style of Bach's children (look up Mannheim School and Rococco) One reason that Beethoven is considered an early romantic era composer is because of his distant modulations, for example, throughout the development sections of his sonatas. (See; sonata allegro form). Sonata allegro form was the style of the day and to be very creative within the constraints of the form, required a genius such as Beethoven.

Recommended listening Grosse Fugue op. 133 and the other late quartets op130,131 and 132. Beethoven is considered the apex of the First Viennese school. Now learn about the Second Viennese School. Meet Arnold Schoenberg, Alban Berg and Anton Webern. Now this is where it gets interesting.

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There is a 5 CD set of Herbert Von Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonic doing all 9 of Beethoven's Symphonies.This set is on Deutsche Grammophon label and is considered the standard against which all other recordings of these works are judged.I have quite a large amount of Beethoven's works and another one of them has a very young protege Anne-Sophie Mutter being directed by a very old Herbert Von Karajan with the Berlin Philharmonic-again on Deutsche Grammophon.Classical music isn't the boring music for old fuddy duddies it is well worth every musicians time to sit down and give a serious listen to classical music especially music for 2 to 4 or more instruments to get a sense of harmonies as the same rules apply for harmonies in classical music as they do for contemporary music.Music for String quartets are a goldmine for people who want to study harmony Mozart was the father of the string quartet and has written some beautiful work.

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