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Post subject: Re: Funk Music, every day people, good for the soul
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Jaco knocks me out Rev J, Bootsy is the funk meister, Fela and Madlib are groovy
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Post subject: Re: Funk Music, every day people, good for the soul
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:34 pm
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Jaco knocks me out Rev J, Bootsy is the funk meister, Fela and Madlib are groovy
an oldie that I found


I'll check that when I'm getting my client up. The only Kingsmen tune I know is "Louie, Louie". I read a fascinating book a few years ago about the Louie, Louie controversy.

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Post subject: Re: Funk Music, every day people, good for the soul
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:26 pm
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Heya Rev’. The history and posts were great.

Just to clarify my mention of protest songs lacking longevity, I only meant for the individual song not the concept of protest. Usually time relevant, with exception, they get old fast. Perhaps, some nostalgic interest, but few have staying power as new ones come along that are more relevant, not only with lyrics, but musically as well; although, a simplistic vibe may make that questionable.

I can remember the music industry removing crap albums from the store shelves and Much Music flogging equally bad videos; but instead of pulling them . . . they increased them. It was a “Gimme what you got because we don’t have enough to fill the time”. Then one day the off shore Super groups presented high quality slick productions to the video selections. Boy! That was a contrast. It gathered viewers for awhile; but, eventually viewers lost MM interest as the slock was too much to accept. Programs and movies stepped in to fill the void.

Lessons learned.

YouTube is the new Much Music. Ah, but is it? At least we can drop the slock and grab some dynomite stuff.

A great song can stand on it’s own; but, all too often a great video isn’t going to make a bad song sound any better when added to a playlist. Well, that’s in theory. The public is weak and fickle. Even the music industry can’t make predictions at times. I’m still puzzled by what makes a song popular. It used to be like the Brill building where you could formulate a hit song like poetry. Dissecting and constructing a song has evolved to become a precise science with algorithms and charts (not that everyone prescribed to it, and yet it is a proven development). Television and movie scripts work the same way. The problem is that none of that matters any more with complacency and idolizing over substance. Celebrity over material and/or performance. The public is bombarded with promotion that tells us how good it is before it even arrives. Often the song gets more promotion than money, time, and effort spent in the studio. Awards are promoted before the sales are made. That’s where my money would go on the ladder of success. Can you say, “Internet?”

Now that gives a whole new meaning to longevity. 8)
Infectious Grooves really good as were Fela Kuti and funky Bootsy.

SBLS: The Kingsmen were huge on the coast when I was in high school and not only because of Louis Louis. No small feat considering the music of the day with Surf and Hendrix close by, R&B, the Brits, and more. :wink:
All the Jaco music here had some tight groovy happenings, and it was very enjoyable.

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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:12 pm
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I see your point. A couple of songs/videos that went viral that I'd post here but am not sure if I'd get a ding for content violations are "I'm not Racist" by Joyner Lucas, and "This is America," by Childish Gambino. They were both well written and presented with the alleged intention of provoking a dialog that happened until the short attention span of the public moved along and there was no follow through and the discussion died within a couple of months.

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Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:45 pm
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Actually, not being the Forum policeman or anything, it’s still a Forum for families too and so some things are iffy at times. Music and the Net bring what they are and most kids being informed are different than my generation, but there’s always exceptions. Good on ya. Rev’ for catching that. It’s how I try to pull back on the comedians which is difficult at best. None of this gets wasted on me, however, and I get ya. :wink:

But, back to the protest songs, you bring a valid point and an important part to the genre, Rev. I have music back to the first decade of recordings and there’s no shortage of thought provoking dialogue back then either including racism and politics. At this moment I’m watching a show that includes musical Indian activists like Buffy Saint Marie and others. Right now Cash is singing about Ira Hayes in front of a tribe. I guess we’ll find some of the same protest in the Blues, but that was taking a dangerous chance in racist territory. Maybe, we could say much of the soul seeking songs include some protest for why things are the way they are. We’ll find that in Motown, and even with some funky tunes.

So, protests will never be gone, some songs will become classics, but they will likely be few and far between, and the bulk of the long lasting popular ones, aside from maybe religious related, probably could fill a few albums.

Martin Scorsese just made an unrelated statement about music not of the past, but of the present. I think it applies here.

This is one of those exceptions that makes the album. First it was current then, prophetic and current today, but most of all it is one of the greatest groups ever IMHO with one of the greatest protest lyrics and music by the Funk brothers:



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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:47 pm
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Well, "I'm not Racist" contains some racist language to comment on racism and communication on issues a lot of N bombs get dropped. "This is America" is a strong statement on race, violence (especially gun violence), technology, and social disconnect and how densensitized we've become. The images are strong. Highly worth the watch.

But to me of of the greatest Soul/Funk albums and protest albums of all time is this:



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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:11 pm
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Hey, Rev’. Marvin is the man. “What’s Goin’ On” is my all time favourite song. If not, it’s up there. I have a place deep inside for related protest songs of that era. I went to a school (grades 1 to 13) with segregated buses, in Nova Scotia which was a culuture shock having moved there from the westcoast. Some of us mingled and played sports together, but prior long time relationships often did not and, because of past practices and their distant living accommodation, there was still some customary practices of which I never quite grasped for the two years that I was there.

In ‘62 and ‘63 this 15 year old stayed with my aunt and uncle on the American side of the Ambassador Bridge, and I learned about the racism and turmoil in Detroit first hand. Again a culture shock. That was nothing compared to a terrible experience. I was taken for a ride to tour Norfolk, Virginia in the Spring of ‘67. Fortunately, I got out of what could have put me and/or others 6 feet under or behind bars in another country. It was a case of wrong place with the wrong strangers’ invite at the wrong time. Nuff said.

I guess you could say this Canuck has an understanding that goes further than some, and Black Day in July was no surprise.

This Is America is pretty strong. I just watched a documentary of the initial gang takeover after Detroit began it’s decline. Gun crazy. I have reservations about this video though. Sometimes, I think shock value is like snuff films. Both have an affect that does what they are intended to do, but are they necessary or good? No need to answer about the snuff films - they are just wrong on all accounts and although available, I had no need to search them out or watch them. This comes from a former DCRA/NRA and Wildlife Club member who shot guns at the age of 8 from pistols to automatics, and I selected to have none in the house. YMMV and I get it.

On the other hand, “I’m Not A Racist” is one video I viewed some time ago. Now that has the right stuff if one is willing to accept it for opening dialogue which, obviously it has, choice of what is racist or not aside. Violence is not needed, and would not add any value as presented.

I’ve seen rebuttals and that is a healthy thing, and needs to be. My experience, as mentioned, and observations of history on this side and the other side of the pond, amongst other considerations may not jibe with either or may with both views. I do believe, with respect, that racism can not be a politically correct discussion if the problem is to be or can even be solved. That’s how the problem began and festered IMHO. But, that’s not the topic here. As a protest song, I can see where something like the original here could become one that can last, and maybe even grow with time. Excellent concept that can go any way you choose. That’s called protest! :wink:

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Rehearsing the great Curtis Mayfield song:



And now the man:


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Hey, Rev’. Marvin is the man. “What’s Goin’ On” is my all time favourite song. If not, it’s up there. I have a place deep inside for related protest songs of that era. I went to a school (grades 1 to 13) with segregated buses, in Nova Scotia which was a culuture shock having moved there from the westcoast. Some of us mingled and played sports together, but prior long time relationships often did not and, because of past practices and their distant living accommodation, there was still some customary practices of which I never quite grasped for the two years that I was there.

In ‘62 and ‘63 this 15 year old stayed with my aunt and uncle on the American side of the Ambassador Bridge, and I learned about the racism and turmoil in Detroit first hand. Again a culture shock. That was nothing compared to a terrible experience. I was taken for a ride to tour Norfolk, Virginia in the Spring of ‘67. Fortunately, I got out of what could have put me and/or others 6 feet under or behind bars in another country. It was a case of wrong place with the wrong strangers’ invite at the wrong time. Nuff said.

I guess you could say this Canuck has an understanding that goes further than some, and Black Day in July was no surprise.

This Is America is pretty strong. I just watched a documentary of the initial gang takeover after Detroit began it’s decline. Gun crazy. I have reservations about this video though. Sometimes, I think shock value is like snuff films. Both have an affect that does what they are intended to do, but are they necessary or good? No need to answer about the snuff films - they are just wrong on all accounts and although available, I had no need to search them out or watch them. This comes from a former DCRA/NRA and Wildlife Club member who shot guns at the age of 8 from pistols to automatics, and I selected to have none in the house. YMMV and I get it.

On the other hand, “I’m Not A Racist” is one video I viewed some time ago. Now that has the right stuff if one is willing to accept it for opening dialogue which, obviously it has, choice of what is racist or not aside. Violence is not needed, and would not add any value as presented.

I’ve seen rebuttals and that is a healthy thing, and needs to be. My experience, as mentioned, and observations of history on this side and the other side of the pond, amongst other considerations may not jibe with either or may with both views. I do believe, with respect, that racism can not be a politically correct discussion if the problem is to be or can even be solved. That’s how the problem began and festered IMHO. But, that’s not the topic here. As a protest song, I can see where something like the original here could become one that can last, and maybe even grow with time. Excellent concept that can go any way you choose. That’s called protest! :wink:

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That whole album is fantastic From the title track to "Mercy Mercy Me," to "Inner City Blues". It's funny that Motown almost didn't put that album out thinking it would tank his career.

Here's a Detroit musician who went pretty much unrecognized in the US until about 7 years ago:





Motown Guitarist Dennis Coffey produced this and some of the Motown musicians are on it.

So much of what you said gave me some weird flashbacks.

I grew up on the coast of Maine (third whitest state in the nation). On a summer day if it was clear off one side of the peninsula where I grew up you could see Mount Washington in New Hampshire and the other side you could see Nova Scotia. There was a Navy Base and a College in the next town over so there was some diversity from those 2 environments. There were also a lot of old houses with Black Chimneys. That was code for safe houses on the Underground Railroad. There were also tunnels for the traffic of escaped slaves all under the town.

Before I was born my dad was in the Navy and stationed in Norfolk. I remember going on vacation there as a teenager, and visiting friends in Michigan as a child.

I moved to the SF Bay Area almost 20 years ago. I joke that I can see Oakland from my house and can smell the smoke when there's a riot.

I also grew up on a farm. We had guns (my dad still has guns) pretty much to keep the predators away from the livestock. So I'm not anti gun I am pro sane gun laws. Since I left Maine they passed a law that if you could pass the background check to get a gun legally you could concealed carry. I have a cousin who is Mildly Mentally Retarded with anger issues who also carries a Glock.

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I was just listening to this album last night at work and figured I'd share this track:



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Rev’:

Interesting discussion and a lot of similarities. Thanks, for the history lesson. I’m a history buff. I knew about the tunnels, but not about the black chimneys. Very cool. I remember taking ferries from Bar Harbour to Yarmouth. I also recall how rough that trip could be on that stretch of ocean. I can only imagine those slaves both free and otherwise making the trip.

While Americans know about slavery in their past, few Canadians have full knowledge of it’s past here in Canada. The first black in Canada, according to reports, sometime in the first decade of the 1600s, was a translator for French explorers who founded the Nova Scotia town where I went to school.

It’s said you can’t really sing the blues until you experience the blues. I think that may be true to understand the soul of the protest songs of which we speak too. I do know I’ve seen and felt, as mentioned earlier, many unpleasant related experiences directly or indirectly and, although I did not seek them out . .. they found me. Those close associations demanded both my respect and disgust with a wide sense of consideration to contemplate. They made me what I am today. On a bright note, I had clams from Maine for dinner. :P
Here in Winnipeg we have a major attraction Human Rights museum. Do I agree or disagree with the exhibits? Both. It depends on who is the creator, their motivation, and whether their view is a fair and honest display. There’s no lack of injustices. Those protest songs hit home and I get it. Sometimes, I agree and sometimes I shake my head because there’s always the chance of unwarranted or ill advised negativity tipping the scales one way or the other. When I was a cameraman, I was taught early on to remove my deep attention from the viewfinder to look and see what I’m missing around me. I think it applies here too. :wink:
Rodriguez and Madlib really good, Rev’. Yes, I mean it. Really good. I enjoyed both. Loved the photos and how they played out (especially the baby and the gentleman on the bus). Thanks, for posting those funky tunes. :D
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Interesting discussion and a lot of similarities. Thanks, for the history lesson. I’m a history buff. I knew about the tunnels, but not about the black chimneys. Very cool. I remember taking ferries from Bar Harbour to Yarmouth. I also recall how rough that trip could be on that stretch of ocean. I can only imagine those slaves both free and otherwise making the trip.

While Americans know about slavery in their past, few Canadians have full knowledge of it’s past here in Canada. The first black in Canada, according to reports, sometime in the first decade of the 1600s, was a translator for French explorers who founded the Nova Scotia town where I went to school.

It’s said you can’t really sing the blues until you experience the blues. I think that may be true to understand the soul of the protest songs of which we speak too. I do know I’ve seen and felt, as mentioned earlier, many unpleasant related experiences directly or indirectly and, although I did not seek them out . .. they found me. Those close associations demanded both my respect and disgust with a wide sense of consideration to contemplate. They made me what I am today. On a bright note, I had clams from Maine for dinner. :P
Here in Winnipeg we have a major attraction Human Rights museum. Do I agree or disagree with the exhibits? Both. It depends on who is the creator, their motivation, and whether their view is a fair and honest display. There’s no lack of injustices. Those protest songs hit home and I get it. Sometimes, I agree and sometimes I shake my head because there’s always the chance of unwarranted or ill advised negativity tipping the scales one way or the other. When I was a cameraman, I was taught early on to remove my deep attention from the viewfinder to look and see what I’m missing around me. I think it applies here too. :wink:
Rodriguez and Madlib really good, Rev’. Yes, I mean it. Really good. I enjoyed both. Loved the photos and how they played out (especially the baby and the gentleman on the bus). Thanks, for posting those funky tunes. :D
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I talked to my dad at Christmas and he told me he got to see Rodriguez recently At Merril Auditorium in Maine before he headed over to Europe to play Royal Albert Hall.

If you get a chance see the documentary "Searching for Sugarman". It's about Rodriguez and his popularity in South Africa and the Urban Legend of his death.

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I figured I'd throw in a video showing him at work.

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