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Post subject: Re: Funk Music, every day people, good for the soul
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:20 am
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Good post, as usual, Rev J.

Interview was right on the money, and your beer analogy brings it home as to the direction you're heading.

Beyonce, well not much more for me to say there, except give the crowd what they want, I suppose. That's what commercialism is. Entertainment. I've seen plenty of that; but, once in awhile the real thing comes along and it becomes more than entertainment. It becomes a happening that grabs you and makes you pay attention to everything that it is and you are. Commercialism is tossed into the back row, never to go away, but it's attention is lost for the moment. The smothering ceases and fresh air appears as if to say, "I'm here".

Erykah Badu. definitely funky. I liked it.

Look what you did to me Rev'. That was good lesson, and I learned a lot. Thanks. But, now I have to explain good Rap to the young relatives and friends. My old guy reputation is ruined. I'm gonna need a mask. I suppose I could double up and use it for my Los Straitjackets impression.

Make it happen, Rev'.
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Post subject: Re: Funk Music, every day people, good for the soul
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:52 am
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Good post, as usual, Rev J.

Interview was right on the money, and your beer analogy brings it home as to the direction you're heading.

Beyonce, well not much more for me to say there, except give the crowd what they want, I suppose. That's what commercialism is. Entertainment. I've seen plenty of that; but, once in awhile the real thing comes along and it becomes more than entertainment. It becomes a happening that grabs you and makes you pay attention to everything that it is and you are. Commercialism is tossed into the back row, never to go away, but it's attention is lost for the moment. The smothering ceases and fresh air appears as if to say, "I'm here".

Erykah Badu. definitely funky. I liked it.

Look what you did to me Rev'. That was good lesson, and I learned a lot. Thanks. But, now I have to explain good Rap to the young relatives and friends. My old guy reputation is ruined. I'm gonna need a mask. I suppose I could double up and use it for my Los Straitjackets impression.

Make it happen, Rev'.
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Always a pleasure.

Now since you brought up Clyde Stubblefield. Here's a couple of tunes built around the "Funky Drummer" break:

Arrested Development:



Sublime:



Speaking of Greatful Dead covers:



I always thought the original of this was kinda FUnky:



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Post subject: Re: Funk Music, every day people, good for the soul
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:15 am
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Since you asked about good rap vs. bad rap here's my take. I've educated myself on this over the past couple of years so heres my take.

A good rapper really breaks down to rhyme scheme, flow, and word play.

A example regarding rhyme scheme is Eminem. Dr. Dre once said, "Em can make words rhyme that shouldn't."

Em was also interviewed on 60 Minutes and said, "It pisses me off when people say nothing rhymes with Orange." He then peels off about 7 words that rhyme with orange.

Flow. This is essentially phrasing. For example if you listen to Chuck D from Public Enemy he phrases right on the beat. Eminem has a tendency to be on the front of the beat like he's in a rush to get it out. MF DOOM is on the back of the beat also sometimes he gets his 8 beats as 5 and 3. So he'll start one line on the 1 of first bar, the next line will start on the 2 of the next bar and finish on the one of the last bar. Snoop Dog also phrases way on the back of the beat (I blame weed).

Word play. Metaphor, story telling the basics. One of my favorite DOOM lyrics:

"There's more than one way to skin a cat,
Let me rephrase that,
There are multiple ways to filet a feline,
In the meantime....."

Now from a production standpoint. The drums are the important part. The feel is subtly complex. It's usually in between straight and swung. Here's a couple of videos to explain it:





Then what a lot of the producers using samples did a lot of "Crate Digging" looking for more and more into obscure records to grab from.

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Post subject: Re: Funk Music, every day people, good for the soul
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:14 pm
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Now FSB if all else fails since it's Christmas time you can always put this on when no one is looking:



And so you don't feel as old:



They kinda look like they're ready to pick up the kids at soccer practice now.

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Post subject: Re: Funk Music, every day people, good for the soul
Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:27 pm
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Okay, Rev’. You made a Doom fan out of me for several reasons. Lyrics and production values with well thought out samples are high on the list. It’s a take off of old recordings where a fake reporter would ask a question, albeit not as eloquently as a rapper of Doom’s stature, of someone (like a little green man), and then a short sound bite answer (often from a song) only to be followed by more of the same. Thanks, for adding the Christmas album. Really good. Again a novelty item by a pro to reckon with. If anyone can’t see that, give me a call. My man Rev’ J showed me the way, and I’m an x’pert now. Have your people call my people. :lol:
Culture wise, I get home boys from the hood, the connection, and the history. Emulating has always followed musical idols. I’m not so sure I get the acceptance from wannabes who never had home boys from the hood where no hood per se existed until the rapping and the exposure. For me, it’s like an L.A. drugstore cowboy who only knew trucks from the Rose Bowl parade, and then decides to take a struggling rock band to Nashville, lurned a drawl, and rubs shoulders with the real Country heroes. Makes me think of Elvis impersonators. Some very good, others bad, none Elvis. Some even embrace a similar lifestyle to add to the mix. I think I have it. It’s all too often really a show. Music accompanies it or at least a beat does. Perhaps, that’s why there are great rappers with the whole package, and then there are the rest tagging along for the gravy. Gosh darn he had swag, and how about that DJ in the back? That was awesome scratching. :P I really find it hard to criticize that which. I cannot do; but, whose to blame when it comes to those who have an audience who accept less. Even I have that, thankful as I am. A paid fan or one with free tickets is better than none. That isn’t new either. :wink:
Since music is primarily an audible sensation, anything is up for grabs. Playing the part is questionable IMHO. They say you can’t really do the blues until you experience it. I think rap is something like that. The rest is poetry, and then maybe not. I don’t know crap, but now I knows rap. :lol:
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Post subject: Re: Funk Music, every day people, good for the soul
Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:59 pm
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Yeah, I grew up in Maine (the third whitest state in the US). There is something bizarrely hilarious about being passed on a country road by 2 white kids in a Ford Escort with an expensive stereo system that you can hear coming from a mile away.

Now even though Bob Seger isn't a name usually associated with FUnky music this to me is a FUnky christmas song:



Now for some Thundercat:



These next 2 fit together to tell a story:





I played the last one for a coworker who said it reminded him of Earth, Wind, and Fire. Plus for me it's kinda cool to hear Michael McDonald and Kenny Loggins still sounding good.

Just for SAG ($hits And Giggles):



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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:48 pm
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I thought I'd do something here that is interesting at least to me.

The same Guitarist (Skip McDonald), Bassist (Doug Wimbish), and Drummer (Keith LeBlanc) over 40 years:



As the "House Band" at Sugar Hill Records:



As "Tackhead":



Covering FUnkadelic:



As Little Axe:



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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:08 am
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very interesting Rev J, thank you for posting 8) the funkiest guitarist/ musician to have lived IMHO YMMV. a hard act to follow. a mighty inspiration to musicians/artists still try this with other guitarists works listen to the way he tunes his guitar, perfect pitch. who alive today does this?

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Post subject: Re: Funk Music, every day people, good for the soul
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:26 pm
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Sock It To Me Santa. Dang good. I’m not sure if it’s Gary U.S. Bonds doing Seger or the other way around. :lol:
Thundercat reminds me of EW&F too. One of my favourites, so Thundercat fits my playlists. Funky mellow is always a treat.

As Steve Martin would put it, Friend Zone is Wild and Crazy.

Funkanova. Dug the guitar, and the mix with the phased strings is not unlike this from a great album in 1968.



Got to keep it real here. Yeah I know Grandmaster Flash is da man, but New York New York didn’t do it for me. It sounded live, but towards the end it sounded messy live to me as if less care and attention was paid to it. Free form doesn’t have to mean sloppy form. Think of it this way. Vocals are a replacement or accompaniment for instruments, rap included, and I don’t think anyone cares to hear an instrument, solo or together, give a messy presentation, with exceptions of course. This doesn’t qualify for exception. All too often you’ll hear rappers in the moment slip out of the pocket. This is different than intentional beat or off beat that compliments the groove. We’re not taliking acceptable mumbles either. We’re talkin’ Jazz. Just sayin’. The free fall is not my thang. YMMV “One more take just for me, please.” :P
Dangerous Sex by Tackhead. Cool song and a terrific vid with the strobe delay effect. As a former guild member of vision mixers I know what I like, and this definitely fits the bill.

Super Stupid. Another like.

Little Axe’s Down To the Valley with that funky excellent execution of the wah and the soul brother’s vibe reminded me of John Shaft meeting up with the Staple Singers at the Car Wash. Very groovy.

All in all a nice collection of Funk Rev J

SBLS: Hendrix

Thanks, for that great selection of the master, especially the backward recording. I’m sad to say I missed the opportunity of seeing him in action as I left a stone’s skip away from him where I lived on the coast where I could have caught him in those few years following his British fame.

I have a great British mag that has him on the front cover and it sits out in the music room alongside a
record of Buddy Holly,

To celebrate the Funk this season I give you not the Wrecking Crew, or the Funk Brothers, but they have a similar background in backing up a list of who’s who. From Stevie Wonder to Tina Turner, Van Morrison, and others in between, both on stage and in studio. They do just fine by themselves.



Have a Funky New Year. 8)
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:40 pm
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Sock It To Me Santa. Dang good. I’m not sure if it’s Gary U.S. Bonds doing Seger or the other way around. :lol:
Thundercat reminds me of EW&F too. One of my favourites, so Thundercat fits my playlists. Funky mellow is always a treat.

As Steve Martin would put it, Friend Zone is Wild and Crazy.

Funkanova. Dug the guitar, and the mix with the phased strings is not unlike this from a great album in 1968.



Got to keep it real here. Yeah I know Grandmaster Flash is da man, but New York New York didn’t do it for me. It sounded live, but towards the end it sounded messy live to me as if less care and attention was paid to it. Free form doesn’t have to mean sloppy form. Think of it this way. Vocals are a replacement or accompaniment for instruments, rap included, and I don’t think anyone cares to hear an instrument, solo or together, give a messy presentation, with exceptions of course. This doesn’t qualify for exception. All too often you’ll hear rappers in the moment slip out of the pocket. This is different than intentional beat or off beat that compliments the groove. We’re not taliking acceptable mumbles either. We’re talkin’ Jazz. Just sayin’. The free fall is not my thang. YMMV “One more take just for me, please.” :P
Dangerous Sex by Tackhead. Cool song and a terrific vid with the strobe delay effect. As a former guild member of vision mixers I know what I like, and this definitely fits the bill.

Super Stupid. Another like.

Little Axe’s Down To the Valley with that funky excellent execution of the wah and the soul brother’s vibe reminded me of John Shaft meeting up with the Staple Singers at the Car Wash. Very groovy.

All in all a nice collection of Funk Rev J

SBLS: Hendrix

Thanks, for that great selection of the master, especially the backward recording. I’m sad to say I missed the opportunity of seeing him in action as I left a stone’s skip away from him where I lived on the coast where I could have caught him in those few years following his British fame.

I have a great British mag that has him on the front cover and it sits out in the music room alongside a
record of Buddy Holly,

To celebrate the Funk this season I give you not the Wrecking Crew, or the Funk Brothers, but they have a similar background in backing up a list of who’s who. From Stevie Wonder to Tina Turner, Van Morrison, and others in between, both on stage and in studio. They do just fine by themselves.



Have a Funky New Year. 8)
FSB


I almost put this instead for a Sugar Hill selection:



Another little fun fact is that Sylvia Robinson the founder of Sugarhill Records was Sylvia of Mickey and Sylvia (Love is Strange) fame.

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Post subject: Re: Funk Music, every day people, good for the soul
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:12 pm
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Now you've heard of "The Ray Price Shuffle", "The Bernard Purdie Shuffle", "The James Brown Feel". Now I'll introduce to you "The J Dilla Feel" aka, "The Dilla Swing," aka "The Drag Feel", Aka "The Drunk Drummer":



Now for a little obscure French Funk Fusion:



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Post subject: Re: Funk Music, every day people, good for the soul
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 3:43 pm
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White Lines (Don’t Do It). Definitely better IMO. Interesting concept, and a beautifully thought out arrangement and production. It’s also a great example that one can take a positive approach and make it sound every bit as effective as the negative approach with the dribble about junk. In fact it’s brilliant. If I had three thumbs I’d put them up. Refreshing and yet not a commercial sellout in my mind.

Don’t for a second think I’m a prudent, biased, and less informed old dude waving a finger of gloom and doom or judgment; but, in reality, having long ago stumbled amongst Chinatown’s opium den by chance, the days of experimenting and new discovery with drugs has long past this world contrary to popular belief. It’s old news. No matter how it gets from here to there the end result is the same. Usually not good as the song suggests. What does count is that the experiment with music is a whole other matter. The music is in you - not in Alice’s world. If one believes differently I have a bridge to sell. One should never think that drugs will make you a Jimi Hendrix or a Stevie Ray. It didn’t make me a Gene Krupa or Buddy Rich and it certainly won’t make me Neil Peart or a Snoop Dog. You might just end up in a big band playing tunes from the 20s. No Hendrix or Joplin in the early days, and yet the dope was there decades before. :P Yep! White Lines (Don’t Do It) Works just fine. There are plenty of notes and words to go around. It’s how you put them together that counts.

Oh, and as for Mickey and Sylvia, there’s a mint LP of theirs in my collection. Thanks, for the post, Rev J.

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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:09 pm
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White Lines (Don’t Do It). Definitely better IMO. Interesting concept, and a beautifully thought out arrangement and production. It’s also a great example that one can take a positive approach and make it sound every bit as effective as the negative approach with the dribble about junk. In fact it’s brilliant. If I had three thumbs I’d put them up. Refreshing and yet not a commercial sellout in my mind.

Don’t for a second think I’m a prudent, biased, and less informed old dude waving a finger of gloom and doom or judgment; but, in reality, having long ago stumbled amongst Chinatown’s opium den by chance, the days of experimenting and new discovery with drugs has long past this world contrary to popular belief. It’s old news. No matter how it gets from here to there the end result is the same. Usually not good as the song suggests. What does count is that the experiment with music is a whole other matter. The music is in you - not in Alice’s world. If one believes differently I have a bridge to sell. One should never think that drugs will make you a Jimi Hendrix or a Stevie Ray. It didn’t make me a Gene Krupa or Buddy Rich and it certainly won’t make me Neil Peart or a Snoop Dog. You might just end up in a big band playing tunes from the 20s. No Hendrix or Joplin in the early days, and yet the dope was there decades before. :P Yep! White Lines (Don’t Do It) Works just fine. There are plenty of notes and words to go around. It’s how you put them together that counts.

Oh, and as for Mickey and Sylvia, there’s a mint LP of theirs in my collection. Thanks, for the post, Rev J.

FSB


There were a lot of acts that came out in the 80's and 90's that dealt pretty heavily with Social Issues like:

The Crack Epidemic:



How Malt Liquor was marketed in black neighborhoods:



I always like to compare the Public Enemy's production to Musique Concrete a'la Stockhousen, Varese, Cage etc Using samplers and multiple layers of samples the same way John Cage used radios on different stations, or Varese's "Tone Poeme for Magnetic Tape".

Oh and they also always loved guitar:



Vernon Reid from Living Colour played guitar on that.

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This thread needs some Fishbone. If the world was a just place Fishbone would be as big as The Red Hot Chili Peppers:







Although Fishbone is one of those bands that is hard to categorize.

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I just came across this today:



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