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Post subject: wtf is the point?
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:11 pm
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so recently i have seen a rediculously high amount of USA fenders with multi piece bodies.... even a strat plus...WTF. i havent taken a good hard look at my burst strat and my tele is a solid color, but seriously, what is the point of plopping down 1000 for a bolt together usa fender when the body isnt even solid? i know it doesnt matter for tone, but if i pay that much for a guitar and the grain shows, make it SOLID.... i could put together a warmoth with better electronics and better woods than what these fenders are coming with all for the same price... seriously guys--what gives? at least drop the price down...fender went back to using the cheap crappy bent steel style saddes from the nice block ones on the old usa standards... i havent gotten a chance to play the mexican necks other than my 96, but if they now have to larger frets like the usa's and the body is now the alder as they advertise, what warrants the 500 dollar price difference?????? same saddles, same multipiece body, same neck... tuners are prob the same... most people change pick ups and put sperzels on their guitars anyways im sure the frets could used dressed on the mexis.... so whats the point of buying the usa? (resale and maybe the micro tilt neck) in my younger day, mexicans werent that great..so i bought USA standards..(pluses and ultras werent available in lefty).. but i have been hearing nothing but great things about the current mexis from their owners. discuss.



this is very much like the gibson vs epiphone debate where the price difference DOEs NOT justify the small quality difference... everyone says gibsons mohogany is solid.. many now are multi piece... and the necks are solid, but crap, i have broken more gibby necks than epis.... the cap is solid on the gibbson and laminate on the epi.... the electronics can be upgreaded cheaply.......a good fret dress and i cant tell the difference honestly..... and i have been playing over half my life...


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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:55 pm
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Take a deep breath......

Obviously these guys are spending millions on marketing to keep the perception that the brand names are worth the extra $500 for Fender and $1,000 for Gibson. But, if enough people see and believe what you see then both Fender and Gibson will see drops in sales of the premier brands and increased sales of the "inferior" and wake up. (Like Detroit did in the 80's)

Of course you are also paying more for American labor on the domestic brands, and if you're concerned about the economy or other such things maybe you're willing to pay extra for a MIA axe. Doesn't sound like you are.


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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:05 pm
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A Fender and a Warmoth cost about a grand.

The Fender comes completely assembled and tested, with a warranty, with a case, and maintains a resale value.

The Warmoth comes in pieces, untested, not backed by anybody, with no case or resale potential.

You also will play hell getting a one-piece body from Warmoth: they don't make many.

Nobody needs to "wake up" to anything that I can see.

ANd please... will everybody on the Interweb stop directing me to "Discuss?" This is a Discussion Forum: I don't need your permission.


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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:19 pm
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Ive seen a couple horrific USA fender bass bodies where the wood grain is not matched AT ALL, and for the price they were going at it was a bit of a joke.

HOWEVER, I agree with Jim on his points, and if the grain is well matched and the body is built with care then I see no problem with non solid bodies.


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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:22 pm
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For Fender, there is no doubt about it, you *ARE* paying a little extra for that "Made In America" jive. Their all multi-piece bodies, but the MIA's use fewer pieces in the body (like three) than the MIM's (which can be up to about five), both using veneers of course, especially on transparent bodies. I personally can't see any difference in 3 or 5 piece bodies, one is just as good as another. The only way your gonna get a one-piece body, is if you buy a top shelf Fender, nothing less. Then you would've payed soo much for it you wouldn't want to take it out of the house.

As for Gibsons and Epiphones necks, it's a fact, a multi-piece neck is a hell of a lot stronger then a solid neck. But on the other hand, ebay is loaded with epiphones with broke necks. I've seen a lot more broke neck epis than I have broke neck Gibsons

At least those Fenders bodies are not plywood like some others...*cough*..epiphone...*sniff*.


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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:28 pm
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I checked this out before. Since Leo, made in the USA Fenders are 2-3 pieces of wood. Fenders from overseas can be many pieces glued together. There's no veneer on my transparent Highway One, and also no seam. Fender did a great job of matching the grain.


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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:33 pm
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I think some of us are missing the point on the multiple piece Fender guitars. Leo designed them so if the neck was broken it was easy to get another neck and install it. Same way with other parts. They are designed to be easily repaired or modified. As far as the extra money for the American made Fenders, to me it is worth it to know that there are still some things I can buy that are made here in the good ole U.S. by hard working, talented people who take pride in what they do. Yes the differences can be subtle, but I'll take the feel of the hand rolled necks on my American Fenders over anything else on the market. Is there a place for the lower priced Mexican guitars? Absolutly, I'll take one of those anyday over the other asian made guitars. This helps guitars to get into the hands of people who otherwise could not afford them, and still is close enough for Fender to keep a good eye on quality control.


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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:14 pm
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I think I'll keep my two-piece joined down the middle MIJ Sen bodied '72 Tele Thinline RIs with matched backs. And no, not all of the MIJs were two piece down the middle OR matched backs.

BTW, I've seen a original USA made late 70's natural finish Ash Strat where it had a three piece body-and one of the pieces couldn't have been more than two inches wide-and it was in the MIDDLE of the body, not the edges! I think that Fender does a much better job in making guitars now than then.

Which reminds me, I've heard that the Eric Johnson Strat has a two piece 'offset' body. What exactly IS a 'offset' body? The pieces aren't joined down the middle? Is it more solid wood on the bass side, more on the treble side, or what?


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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:33 am
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I'm guessing it means offset shape, like the jazz bass. (compare a p bass body to a jazz bass body for example)


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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:48 pm
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ally wrote:
I'm guessing it means offset shape, like the jazz bass. (compare a p bass body to a jazz bass body for example)


Yes, I'm aware of the Jazz Bass body shape-AND the Jazzmaster shape, AND the Jaguar shape, etc etc. The EJ Strat looks like it has the stock Strat shape, I think the term 'offset' here was meant to indicate HOW/WHERE the two pieces of the body were joined. Any EJ Strat owners out there that can fill in the details? It seems to be one of the selling points of this model, and from what I hear, EJ was pretty exacting about the specs.


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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:54 pm
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What's The World Taekwondo Federation have to do with multi piece bodies? :? ........ :P

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FirstMeasure wrote:
What's The World Taekwondo Federation have to do with multi piece bodies? :? ........ :P


I think the World Taekwondo Federation bought a majority share of the multi-piece body patent in 1987. I could be wrong.

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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:15 pm
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cryingstrat wrote:
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What's The World Taekwondo Federation have to do with multi piece bodies? :? ........ :P


I think the World Taekwondo Federation bought a majority share of the multi-piece body patent in 1987. I could be wrong.
Just goes to show what happens when a company Dabbles outside their expertise.

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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:39 pm
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twangee wrote:
ally wrote:
I'm guessing it means offset shape, like the jazz bass. (compare a p bass body to a jazz bass body for example)


Yes, I'm aware of the Jazz Bass body shape-AND the Jazzmaster shape, AND the Jaguar shape, etc etc. The EJ Strat looks like it has the stock Strat shape, I think the term 'offset' here was meant to indicate HOW/WHERE the two pieces of the body were joined. Any EJ Strat owners out there that can fill in the details? It seems to be one of the selling points of this model, and from what I hear, EJ was pretty exacting about the specs.


Me think they mean CONTOURED BODY :roll:


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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:46 pm
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usa vs mexico pay prob isnt much......from any picture i have seen, its all the same workers........hint hint......

i guess i see two sides to it all.... unfortunately, there isnt much difference i can see in the products anymore......... none of us are willing to pay a huge percentage more money for the same product based on where its made...

i am just trying to justify the 500 dollar difference......... if thebodies were proven to be thicker,finshes of a better material, woods proven to be better and frets, neck pockets etc proven to be better, then i will shut up.... i dont mind some multipiece bodies as long as its respectiful to woodgrain (or hidden totally) and semetrical...


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