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Post subject: Re: love.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:42 am
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@Screamin' Armadillo my explanation fully gives way to the idea that other people may describe my feeling of love as "infatuation" as a discreditation. it mostly comes from people who have never felt love or infatuation and go through only lust as the basis of relationships or because of common goals and liking. you may have heard the expression love drug because it's just like a drug to the point of fainting, being weak at the knees, breathless or sick to the stomach. my post tells of a chemical process usual represented as cupid firing an arrow in modern movies at someone who has this kind of reaction. this is the modern perception of love and modern romance and songs. the other things are a virtue of love but not love. "love" is not explained well by people who have not had this experience. they all make that same mistake. kindness is kindness not love. compassion is compassion not love. unselfishness is unselfishness not love.

if you say you are "in love" and have never been infatuated I DON'T BELIEVE YOU!

having a liking for someone does not give you an ability to say "i love you" to someone. unless you have feelings like i've had you will not want to say it. feeling like this will also make you want to commit and be married.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/love

love
   /Show Spelled [luhv] Show IPA noun, verb, loved, lov·ing.
noun
1.
a profoundly tender, passionate affection for another person.
2.
a feeling of warm personal attachment or deep affection, as for a parent, child, or friend.
3.
sexual passion or desire.
4.
a person toward whom love is felt; beloved person; sweetheart.
5.
(used in direct address as a term of endearment, affection, or the like): Would you like to see a movie, love?

"she's hot" is not love it's lust

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Post subject: Re: love.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:46 pm
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it would be strange to say a feeling of infatuation had more feeling to it than love.
http://www.selfcreation.com/love/infatuation.htm
it seems some peoples love is cold and it is just "care and concern." well i think care and concern is care and concern...

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Post subject: Re: love.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:02 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
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I don't consider that a joke. One of my fears is being alone when I'm older. (like 50s and up) I've just always wondered how the truely lonely and heartbroken see the world. A family friend lost her husband of 65 years. They were married when they were 16 and 17. I can't imagine how she feels on a day to day basis. I don't want to end up like her. I probably couldn't take it.

It's a lot better to be old and alone than young and alone.
Your friend may be lonely,but she has a lot of memories to look back on....it's when you're young and not doing much to make memories,that will haunt you in your older years. :wink:
I'm older and live alone,but I have some wonderful life experiences to remember...and I don't plan on quitting anytime soon. :D


Does it ever weigh on you though? Like having no one to wake up in the morning and talk to, or having no one to be with? I'm not trying to sound negative or anything, I'm just inquiring.

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Post subject: Re: love.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:32 pm
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To Prolife:
Your post, and the definition you posted proves one thing and one thing only: The English language needs more than one word for an emotion as complicated as love.

I love my father and mother, but there is not a single touch of romanticism in that emotion. Likewise my feeling for my brother and my friends.
I love my daughter differently than any of those people mentioned, but still there is no "romance" attached to that type of love.
I love guitars, dogs and hot rods. Not gonna hump any of them.
Love (as in "romantic" love) can start as infatuation, but infatuation is not love.
My relationship with Lady Armadillo did start as infatuation and lust. As time passed, it grew past infatuation. I saw her faults and flaws, but none of them were "deal-breakers." That, in itself, is the start point of "love"; recognizing that your mate isn't perfect, but caring for them nonetheless.
After eighteen and a half years of marriage (and the ups and downs of any relationship that lasts that long), I think I am qualified to define the difference between infatuation, lust and love.
Your definition, your examples and your supposition all point to you mis-representing what love is. I'm not trying to flame you on, but love is not just the flash of "Cupid's Arrrow"...it goes much deeper than that.

BTW, lust and romance need not go away within a loving relationship--in fact, if both partners are healthy, those qualities will only grow and get better as time goes on.

(edited 01/02/2012 due to spelling error)

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Post subject: Re: love.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:33 pm
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Except for a '3' year period when I was divorced, I've been Married sense I was '23'. I've got two kids and three grand kids and one on the way. I also have a wonderful wife of '36' years. I cant imagine life without them. Just the thought of loosing one of them brings tears to my eyes. The thought of my poor wife putting up with the likes of me for all those years probably brings tears to her eyes. :lol: :lol:
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Post subject: Re: love.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:40 pm
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Infatuation is to love as a chord is to a song.

A chord, in and of itself, does not make a song.
A song can be played without any of the musicians playing a chord single note rhythms and lead lines).

Infatuation, in and of itself, does not constitute "love"...
...and love can exist without infatuation.

But either product--song or love is more complete when both exist. A song is more complete and richer with chords, and love is better with a touch of infatuation.

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Post subject: Re: love.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:36 pm
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A well played Chord, is The harmonious effect of the vibration of multiple strings. When skilfully played on the strings of a heart, they create infatuation. the ability to indefinitely sustain that harmonious effect is called love, only when the like experionce is felt by two hearts simultaneously. 8)
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Post subject: Re: love.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:46 pm
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Quite the poet, Danny.

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Post subject: Re: love.
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I have been married to the same women for almost 30 yrs. She is the reason I get up in the morning and do what I do. She is what I think about. To me thats what love is. I do beleive in Love at first site since I knew my wife for about 2 mnths before we got married. Love will be different for everyone. When you find the right person you will know it.


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Post subject: Re: love.
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:47 pm
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Prolife, there are several different meanings of love, what would help is the Greek language has several meanings. Such as Agápe meaning unconditional love such as in a loving marriage, Éros meaning sensual desire or longing (lust) also the English word erotic comes from this word. Also Philia meaning love of friends or family, finally Storge meaning where a parent would love a child. Sorry if I got a little geeky on this. And by no means mean to flame on this either. But there is a big difference between love and lust.

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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:46 am
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i have not had a feeling as strong as i have when "infatuated" for anybody or anything not a guitar or parents. (all of which was not sexual.) so it's not lust. my "infatuation" agrees with the modern perception of others. if i said i loved someone and i did not have feelings like this i would feel like a liar. i'd really be saying i "liked" them!
yes the marriage vows say " love honour and obey." you cannot promise to be infatuated though but that's to treat them with love. so yes there are other perceptions but i would rather have this feeling of "infatuation" than any other experience i have had... love to most seems to be the mundane "i like you, i care for you, i respect you." not a feeling that you have a supernatural appointment to be with that person. that life long search may end with this one person because of the feelings you have had.

i also understand the guy who took mdma he said he felt "in love with everybody" what was he describing but what he had seen as love on tv maybe and it registered with him like any other emotion. being in love is not a feeling everyone will experience. it really is like seeing a different colour or having an emotion you have never had before.

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Post subject: Re: love.
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:03 pm
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prolife wrote:
i've been in love about 10 times. it's a funny feeling in your stomache and a kinda woozy feeling in the head... it was not exlusive to one girl as i fell in love when asked by some girls at school... i fell in love at 5!... i did not even like some of the girls i was in love with which may seem odd but i had a strange feeling sometimes beforehand that i was going to fall in love with the prettiest girl in class... and i did... lately i have the same feelings of love for girls passing me in the street...

Hi prolife: you are most definitely using the word love to mean something different than most of us.

On this thread some people believe that love is a rare, profound and at least partially selfless emotion - others hold deterministically that it is simply an illusion arising from firing across synapses amongst the neurons of the brain. But of one thing we can be certain: it is a word and words have meanings.

Love can be a noun, a verb, an adverb and an adjective. ...And in Buxom's case it may currently be the subjunctive. (That's a friendly little grammar joke, for those as care about such things.)

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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:25 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Love can be a noun, a verb, an adverb and an adjective. ...And in Buxom's case it may currently be the subjunctive. (That's a friendly little grammar joke, for those as care about such things.)
Cheers - C

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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 12:37 pm
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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
Ceri wrote:
Love can be a noun, a verb, an adverb and an adjective. ...And in Buxom's case it may currently be the subjunctive. (That's a friendly little grammar joke, for those as care about such things.)
Cheers - C

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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We gots ourselves a wise guy, eh? *cracks knuckles, looks at Ceri*

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