I didn't call anyone a name. I thought his handle was Rock Star, but I see it is your handle. I asked a simple question and got information I didn't ask for or want.

OK Hobbyist, whatever you say.

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First off. I'm seeing Robert De Niro doing the fingers to the eyes here BMW.

Second, re-read the entire thread without bias. He asked a question. It got off the topic because some people like neither. He tried to get back to the original question. He was pretty much told that his question was stupid and that all Blues Juniors are crap to begin with (I'd say that he was flamed). He asked to get on topic again. It didn't happen. It pissed him off. He called someone a "rockstar" in a sarcastic manner and restated the original topic. Now he is told that he can be kicked off of the forum if he doesn't show respect to those that have been on here longer than him and that he now has internet enemies? Really? Look guys, I know for a fact that you two have more experience, etc., than I do and probably Chris, but your really jumped on him, told him he was an idiot for his two choices and literally said that an amp that 1000's of people love isn't worth the match to burn it with. Who should the mods be watching? I understand we've had some idiots posting on here lately and tensions have been high, but geez. It's ok. Just because you've been on here longer than others doesn't mean that you own the board and can run off others that haven't.

63supro, I understand your comments, but apparently he had his heart stuck on a Fender amp. It's a Fender board, which is probably why he came here to ask the question.
It seemed to me that egos got hurt when he didn't want to stray from the original question. I don't think the guy came here to start a fight.

Call me ameteur. I'm pretty sure it was a simple mistake.

Debates and disagreements happen. I have no issue with that. Threads get hijacked. I have no issue with that. More often than not when someone posts a this or that question someone suggests another alternative which is what I did and I did it with only the best of intentions. This happens all the time. There's no need for him to get scrappy about it. I'm not buying the mistaken moniker and that wasn't the only dig in his comment anyway.

My warning stands.

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I've seen lots of gigging musicians use the Frontman 212 and sound great with it. Not my thing, but they know how to work it. This is how little I know. I never even noticed the rock star thing with my screen name. Fender puts that there, not me. I only try to help people through all my good and bad experiences. Most people don't mind different suggestions outside the current production HRD litter box. I've made plenty of bad choices. I'm semi retired partially because of my musical dealings over many years and not squandering a ton of money. I'm cheap. Period. No one called the OP an idiot or anything else for that matter. Get to know people before passing judgement on them is all I ask. As for owning a Tele, A Twin Reverb and Vibrolux Reverb was all I ever used with mine until I sold it.

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+1 I left this forum because of this kind of arrogance and bickering, I come back and nothing has changed. What a shame.

Who are you to warn anyone? If anybody is going it is going to be you and anyone of those who agree with you. Pack your things kid the party is officially over.

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Time to get out of town Black Bart
Lighten up. So now you can't give suggestions without getting bounced. The rudeness started with the OP. Let the dead dog lie, go play your Blues Jr. None of us did any wrong here.

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While we're all yelling, WHY DON'T WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE COFFEE HAS GOTTEN?

Personally, I prefer a tube amp. I play through a Fender '63 reissue Vibroverb from the early 90's, and it's possibly the best amp I've ever played through for my style and needs.

The sound of the Blues, Jr. is pretty good, but with an EL84 power tube, it's not necessarily the "classic" Fender sound (in effect, a 6L6 or 6V6-based circuit). I think that is one of the sources of controversy in the minds of some old-school (though not necessarily old-aged) Fender aficionados. I like some of the tones I've heard from guys using this amp, and some I thought were too bland and boxy sounding. I don't know if the ones I liked were modified or upgraded in some fashion.

The iffy proposition of touring or heavy gigging with any of the HR series is a legitimate concern, so when people brought that up, I think they were just trying to look out for your best interests. They were trying to save you some grief, if you were planning on pushing such an amplifier hard. But if you plan on just jamming with friends, it would probably be a fine purchase.

Having said that (my preference for a good tube amp) I have recently seen several very good bands using the FM120 amps, and they sounded good. One band was a bunch of guys from Louisiana who mentioned they were using these amps because "we had to have something, and it was cheap and surprisingly sounded good for a solid state amp..."

Overall, what works for your needs may or may not work for some one else, so try them both and choose your favorite.

As far as the "urination contest" between old and new members, just remember that in such a contest everybody ends up wet & smelly. Let's be polite, in our recommendations and responses, okay?

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Correction: I meant FM212R when I wrote FM120.

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A new member, a self-admitted beginner to the hobby, comes on asking about low price point amps and gets steered toward a clearly-not-beginner-centric '65 Deluxe Reverb, and then insulted over his attempt to get the discussion back on course to his original inquiry? Really, guys? Appalling. Let's see this thread get back on track and try to address the original poster's inquiry, and also try our best to think back to our earliest entry into the hobby.

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Thanks Brad. Hopefully Chris keeps coming back. There are so many people on here that are full of knowledge, those in the dispute included, that are really needed in this forum. Not just for conversations between the experienced players (otherwise, I wouldn't be in any conversations), but this place is a wealth of knowledge for beginners.

My two cents....The (what looks like high) wattage and the bells and whistles of a solid state or modeling amp are a pretty good sell initially but, sooner or later you will be out jamming with someone who broke down and spent good money on a tube amp and, from that point on, you will probably obsess over owning one yourself until you buy one....Then you gotta sell your solid state (or modeling) amp for half of what you bought it for and it's not even a year old. At least that has been my experience. Go ahead and get that Blues Jr. You can put a pedal in front of it like a tube screamer or an OCD (if you wanna make it a little punchier) and that would be about it. The DRRI's are WAY cool (you can't make em sound bad...unless you are simply a bad guitar player) but, you can get a nice sound from Blues Jr too with a little tweaking....and it's definitely a bit cheaper than a DRRI.

I just happened to be watching a blues festival on PBS tonight, and saw a strat player in a trio plugged in to a Blues Jr then miked into big house speakers. He was great. Alias Jones. He had a big sound ala Stevie Ray. I have seen many lower level Fender amps used by pros. These nay sayers are a joke. I have begged them for two years to quit bullying people to no avail. Then they blame the victim. An absolute joke.