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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:26 pm
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Welcome to the Forum chrisajr, congratulations a Telecaster is a great (the very best IMHO) solid body electric guitar
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I think this is a good combo, personally I wouldn't use an Egnater for a doorstop, IMHO YMMV.

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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:04 pm
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That's exactly how I feel about the Blues Jr :lol:
Funny thing is, Egnater wins award after award in both design and versatility. The only thing a HRD amp wins is a free trip to the service center. :shock: My Egnater is a thousands times better than my POS HRDlx which did do service as a door stop at my techs shop on a regular basis.

Okay I'll stop. :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:07 pm
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That's exactly how I feel about the Blues Jr :lol:
Funny thing is Egnater wins award after award in both design and versatility. The only thing a HRD amp wins is a free trip to the service center. :shock:

Okay I'll stop. :mrgreen:

too late, the shoe is not supposed to go up there :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:55 pm
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If a Blues Junior was on fire I wouldn't spare a drop of pee to help put it out UNLESS somebody was using the piece of junk as a door stop and I didn't want to see the house burn down. Mostly, I think I'd just kick the burning bundle of joy down the steps and into the street with the earnest hope that some 18-wheeler was unable to swerve in time and smash it into a thousand pieces. At least then it would be worth something, for entertainment value that is, seeing the burning bits and chunks of twisted chassis floating in the air about the wheels as the rumbling leviathon rolled by.

I do paint such a pretty picture, don't I?

Puts me in mind of the last season of Weeds when the boys finally find a legal and profitable way to make money without actually working by giving frustrated people the chance to blow up that computer or television that never, ever did work properly. I envision someone starting a similar cottage industry and surviving quite happily just on Blues Juniors alone. I know that'll never happen but a man can dream, can't he? :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:13 pm
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If a Blues Junior was on fire I wouldn't spare a drop of pee to help put it out UNLESS somebody was using the piece of junk as a door stop and I didn't want to see the house burn down. Mostly, I think I'd just kick the burning bundle of joy down the steps and into the street with the earnest hope that some 18-wheeler was unable to swerve in time and smash it into a thousand pieces. At least then it would be worth something, for entertainment value that is, seeing the burning bits and chunks of twisted chassis floating in the air about the wheels as the rumbling leviathon rolled by.


You're liable to burst an artery or rupture an aneurism if you keep visceral emotions bottled up, BMT-KTM.

For the sake of your health, don't hold back......tell us how you really feel!

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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:23 am
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I thought you might like that....

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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:46 am
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I have a friend who is very politically minded with strong opinions and he always talks to me about the 80/20 rule in which he supposes that 80% of the work is done by 20% of the workers or something like that as well as other applications of the same ratio as pertains to economics and politics of which I have little or no interest in. Nevertheless I believe I have just thought of another application of the 80/20 rule. 80% of the population loves the HRD/Blues series and 20% sees it for what it is. If I owned stock in FMIC I would say, "Hail the 80%." Since I don't I'm proud to number myself among the minority and be content to simply lead the horses to water and pay no mind if they don't drink.

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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:46 am
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Solid Body Love Songs wrote:
63supro wrote:
That's exactly how I feel about the Blues Jr :lol:
Funny thing is Egnater wins award after award in both design and versatility. The only thing a HRD amp wins is a free trip to the service center. :shock:

Okay I'll stop. :mrgreen:

too late, the shoe is not supposed to go up there :roll:


How about recommending something outside the HRD box for a change? Even the Champ XD is more reliable and actually doesn't sound as boxy. Reliability shouldn't be a game of chance.it mat be hard to believe, but there are many fine amps outside the Fender and Marshall camps. Egnater as a door stop is laughable.I've done over 100 gigs alone with mine not counting rehearsals and not so much as a hiccup. My HRD gave up the magic smoke on stage at the third gig. You obviously never even plugged into an Egnater amp. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:10 am
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Enough already gentlemen (and I use the term loosely!). I simply asked a question about two amps I am considering buying. I did not ask about other brands because i have a Tele and I would like to believe that Fender knows what is best for their own product. That's not to say that there aren't better amps out there, because there are. I am limited in the money I can spend and I want a Fender amp and these are the two choices I have made. I asked a simple question: which of the two would you pick and why. I didn't realize that it would cause such a ruckus. Granted that everyone has there own preference and opinion, but that is all it is, opinion. Each of us is not the final authority and greatest expert on the subject because if we were, we wouldn't be denigrating each others OPINIONS on this website. We would be charging big bucks for our mountain top advice.

My thanks to everyone who gave me the advice I requested and my pity to those who cannot understand a simple request.


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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:40 am
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The only pity is that you didn't do a search on the downsides of the Blues Jr. :roll:
You asked basically for advise on the evil of two lessors and we were trying to save you some aggravation. If you're looking to do any gigging in the future, I'd do the Frontman. Depending on who you play with, 15 watts is iffy at best. If you're looking for a "Classic Fender Sound" you won't find it with EL84 power tubes. Sorry for trying to help. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:28 am
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I happen to like a Blues Jr. Have played through one many times. Luckily for Chis, if he buys one, he can play through it, love it, and later down the road, he could have mods done to it if he likes. Hell, I own a Pro Jr., and like it as well, and all it has is a tone, a volume, and an on and off switch. You can change tubes to your liking and do mods to your liking. If I need an equalizer, I just plug one in, along with other pedals to get my sound. I'm sure many people hate a Crate Blue Voodoo 120bv, but I own one, and if you know what you're doing, you can get some great damn tone out of one. To each his own, and opinions are like elbows, we all have a couple.

We get it, you love the Deluxe Reverb. It's the greatest thing since sliced bread.....to you. Also, the comment that anyone who could save up $400, could save up $1000 is really out there. Well, let's all save up and only buy Custom American Fenders and $5000 worth of equipment.....and not buy jack until we do.....or we could start out by buying what we can afford and if we hit the lottery or can justify our buying a $1000 amp for ourselves when other things around the house need buying, or the kids need money for college, etc., we'll do it. Maybe it's Christmas and we know $400 is what we'll get all together from everybody and their mother, and we can't afford to use jack &%*$ of our own money. Different situations for everyone. Is a Deluxe Reverb a nice amp? Yes. Will I ever own one? Probably not. If I ever start gigging and need to get it loud enough to be heard over the drummer, etc., I'll use the PA system.


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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:57 am
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Actually, I like the DRRI, but my Egnater IMO is the best thing since sliced bread. :lol:

No I do get it. I know all about mods, tubes and how to waste money because I have many times. I'm not a kid, I'm 56 years old and have been playing guitar for 45 years, over 25 of it professionally at different points in my life. I played in a gigging band when I was 13 and made a few bucks playing parties and weddings. My point is, there are a lot better amps for not just the same amount of money but even a little less that will hold up to gigging and travel.

I trusted Fender, I've used their amps since 1965 when my father bought me a Vibrolux Reverb. Fender has never let me down over all that time. My HRDlx sounded decent, not great, not bad unless you hit the drive channels. The problem was it liked being fixed more than it liked amplifying my guitar. I know the HRD series has a big following. Why, I have no idea. Maybe it's musicians who don't need to rely on them to make money and if it breaks, they have nothing to lose but a little time.

To the OP, if you already made up your mind and closed the door, why ask in the first place? Why come to Fender's site to ask about a Fender amp? What did you expect to hear? There are only a handful of people on this forum who would dare to open our mouths from negative experience. I know that myself, Arjay and possibly BMW have owned a HRD amp at one time or another as well as a few others.
I don't have a ton of money to blow on gear either, that's why Myself and others suggested rugged professional gear that will last for years without problems. Sorry, but ten and twelve inch speakers in little tiny boxes do nothing for me in the sound department. I have too many past reference points.

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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:28 pm
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Still don't get it do ya Rock Star? I asked a simple question with simple parameters and your ego couldn't stand it. Let it go Big Boy! Some day I might gig and try to fill your shoes, but then again, I just might stay on my back porch and play the blues. Either way, I will always be happy and content listening to my Tele going through my Blues Junior...


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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:06 pm
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Still don't get it do ya Rock Star? I asked a simple question with simple parameters and your ego couldn't stand it. Let it go Big Boy! ...


OK, buddy. That's enough. Pipe down. We tried to help you and you didn't want that help and you've made your point. It's over. Name calling and flaming against seasoned and respected members by brand new people is not tollerated here. We just got rid of a problem child and we can get rid of you too. We joke here and we tell our opinions here and sometimes we disagree here but we don't let noobs run flame shows or throw hissy fits. You are now on my RADAR and probably a few other people's RADAR as well. Conduct yourself accordingly.

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Post subject: Re: Frontman 212R vs. Blues Junior III
Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:27 pm
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Enjoy your new amp! :mrgreen: Do me a favor and put me on your foe list. I'll do the same. It's in the user control panel. :roll: Try to get to know people before you start with the name calling. Gear is gear and people are people. Ego has nothing to do with it. If it did, I'd be tossing names around of people I know and have played with. Never did that, never will. I have no one to impress. :wink:

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