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Post subject: Re: Healthcare in Canada and the UK
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:07 pm
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So you're saying that the government should take it all over, like the UK, so there won't be all these problems?

GTG, I'm not sure what everyone is saying either, but the other countries that have Gov H.C. are different than the USA. For the sake of participating I would chime in political threads in the past when I always knew it wasn't Republican or Democrat or Independent or name it. In the old USA it's called patronage (to get the job you either know someone to get sponsored or you know who collects the juice and pay for the job) patronage is Gov jobs and bureaucracy's loaded with people sympathetic to their sponsor's idea's machination's what have you. Which is the prob with the Pres H.C. fiasco. He is a union front and always has been not being critical but adding another half million office workers on top of health care just to create more redundant jobs and pensions and union organizers and the juice is all paid by taxpayers like us. Realistically, build a hospital that should cost 10 mil and ends up costing 14 mil because 4 mil is juice to the unions the politicians and lobbyists who pushed it through then the alderman wets his beak and the state rep has gotta get his people taken care of so now when the project starts the excavating equipment has to come from the right guy and every yard of concrete costs more cause they gotta get their juice and the pavers need to take care of their union and if there is a cafeteria inside every crate of milk, every shipment of baked goods, the meat suppliers, all different unions and then the painters, every load of bricks, every truck load of dry wall, steel, glass and on and on juice to every made guy, front man, and it all has to go their way. Now 10 years later that 14 mil is inflated to 25 or 26 mil and the job still isn't done and the G is bleeding the taxpayer for more and more because it's never enough. You know what I'm referring to these projects are all black holes and it's our fault for letting it get this way. The free health care right for every one is a sweet story but reality is a completely different animal that has absolutely nothing to do with it. Juice, patronage jobs, votes to keep it going their way. Vicious cycle, Amen.
wiki: "A bureaucracy is an organization of non-elected officials of a governmental or organization who implement the rules, laws, and functions of their institution"


In your area this may be the way. But union workers are only 3% of the workforce(outside of government). I don't see how they could affect anything. Sounds like political propaganda. It probably has to do with money, but not about workers. Big money people are the culprits.


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Post subject: Re: Healthcare in Canada and the UK
Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 9:31 pm
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GTG wrote:
Solid Body Love Songs wrote:
GTG wrote:
So you're saying that the government should take it all over, like the UK, so there won't be all these problems?

GTG, I'm not sure what everyone is saying either, but the other countries that have Gov H.C. are different than the USA. For the sake of participating I would chime in political threads in the past when I always knew it wasn't Republican or Democrat or Independent or name it. In the old USA it's called patronage (to get the job you either know someone to get sponsored or you know who collects the juice and pay for the job) patronage is Gov jobs and bureaucracy's loaded with people sympathetic to their sponsor's idea's machination's what have you. Which is the prob with the Pres H.C. fiasco. He is a union front and always has been not being critical but adding another half million office workers on top of health care just to create more redundant jobs and pensions and union organizers and the juice is all paid by taxpayers like us. Realistically, build a hospital that should cost 10 mil and ends up costing 14 mil because 4 mil is juice to the unions the politicians and lobbyists who pushed it through then the alderman wets his beak and the state rep has gotta get his people taken care of so now when the project starts the excavating equipment has to come from the right guy and every yard of concrete costs more cause they gotta get their juice and the pavers need to take care of their union and if there is a cafeteria inside every crate of milk, every shipment of baked goods, the meat suppliers, all different unions and then the painters, every load of bricks, every truck load of dry wall, steel, glass and on and on juice to every made guy, front man, and it all has to go their way. Now 10 years later that 14 mil is inflated to 25 or 26 mil and the job still isn't done and the G is bleeding the taxpayer for more and more because it's never enough. You know what I'm referring to these projects are all black holes and it's our fault for letting it get this way. The free health care right for every one is a sweet story but reality is a completely different animal that has absolutely nothing to do with it. Juice, patronage jobs, votes to keep it going their way. Vicious cycle, Amen.
wiki: "A bureaucracy is an organization of non-elected officials of a governmental or organization who implement the rules, laws, and functions of their institution"


In your area this may be the way. But union workers are only 3% of the workforce(outside of government). I don't see how they could affect anything. Sounds like political propaganda. It probably has to do with money, but not about workers. Big money people are the culprits.

I listed a book that I'm now reading on the "What Ya Reading..." thread named "Captive City" that explains it much better then I could. In my state unions are much more powerful than most others. Here is were the template was created. In recent weeks we have had some incredible revelations about abuse by the unions especially the teachers union that employed two local politicians (not union members) as substitutes for one day each and because of an obscure union reg they are now eligible for a full union pension for the rest of their lives. That is an extreme example but if you are able to read that book you will see some stuff guaranteed to make your head spin. I wasn't criticizing unions, just that here in Illinois the powers that be say jump and it is a pogo-fest lol. :lol:

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