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probably not the best but maybe considerable is serj tankian. he played bass, percussion, guitar, and sang in his new album elect the dead. he also produced it which i think is pretty cool


a good chunk of the guys around here can do the same thing.

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Thats so true.
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probably not the best but maybe considerable is serj tankian. he played bass, percussion, guitar, and sang in his new album elect the dead. he also produced it which i think is pretty cool


a good chunk of the guys around here can do the same thing.


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WINSTON wrote:
probably not the best but maybe considerable is serj tankian. he played bass, percussion, guitar, and sang in his new album elect the dead. he also produced it which i think is pretty cool


a good chunk of the guys around here can do the same thing.


i think they can do it better than serj as well... i've just never gotten into his or system of a down's music


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Well Oingo had been around, but the film came out in '84. The self-deprecating comedy was pretty rare and fresh then. You know, what really also made the film work was that Prince's character was really allowed to be kind of a loser and jerk. Huge family issues. You really sympathized with the guy. Then he goes and screws up the whole formula with Cherry Moon!
I also realized, afte rreading my own list, that they were all English(except Boingo), with that English sense of humor. Price was the only one poking fun at himself.

I didn't come to appreciate Prince until his "Formely Known As" phase. A singer friend of mine was into Prince, he played alot of his unheard stuff. Very sylized, but very impressive

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I just thought - all this discussion about musicians, with no backing for it! By this I mean, (I said this earlier) Paul McCartney being a great musician? No he's not. He's a great songwriter. Point is, many of these people are great SONGWRITERS, not musicians. I don't know that's my view..

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I just thought - all this discussion about musicians, with no backing for it! By this I mean, (I said this earlier) Paul McCartney being a great musician? No he's not. He's a great songwriter. Point is, many of these people are great SONGWRITERS, not musicians. I don't know that's my view..


What do you mean? That's the same exact thing you just did. You just said he's not a great musician, he's a great songwriter. Thats it thought thats all you said about it.


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I guess if all you like is whaling songs, then Tingus McGee is the greatest living musician.

First time I saw Prince on TV, I figured wow, homosexual cabaret singers are going mainstream. This is a real breakthrough. I mean, he weighed about 90 lbs., was mincing around like a girl in feminine clothes, and was doing obvious allusions to oral sex. And had this tiny little girl voice. It was very much what you expect from Sanjaya or Danny Noriega on American Idol. Ok, there's a non-heterosexual guy singing a song with sexually ambiguous overtones. Fine.

Then I saw Purple Rain and started to get the gag (as it were). It's all a put on, it's funny! I mean, the tunes are pretty cool of course, but there's a lot of self-deprecating hip humor going down all the time too. A kind of satire of heterosexuality. And he is a talented guy, no bout a doubt it.

So now when he comes on TV, I'm thinking "Cool, what weird new funny stagecraft thing is he gonna pull this time?" His tunes lately tho have gotten way drively. He should stick to comedy. That SNL satire of him could basically be done much better...by HIM!


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By the way, just noted that the word GEE-AY-WHY has been banned in this forum. Does Fender find something intrinsically WRONG with or SHAMEFUL about men and women of that particular genetically predisposed lifestyle? If so, a heckuva lotta pop music stars including Prince who play Fender gear would like to know about it.


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What about Jimmy Page?

The guy can do play and do just about anything and everything with music.
Also he played that show last November and by all accounts he still had it. If not Jimmy I would have to Jonny Greenwood, then John Frusciante.


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there is no one greatest musician, it is all realitive!! There are some amzing ones and prince falls into that category.....but he is not the greatest!!


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evh1978 wrote:
EdMardell wrote:
I just thought - all this discussion about musicians, with no backing for it! By this I mean, (I said this earlier) Paul McCartney being a great musician? No he's not. He's a great songwriter. Point is, many of these people are great SONGWRITERS, not musicians. I don't know that's my view..


What do you mean? That's the same exact thing you just did. You just said he's not a great musician, he's a great songwriter. Thats it thought thats all you said about it.


That's what I'm saying - people were saying (including me) that Paul McCartney is possibly one of the greatest musicians. I went away, thought for a bit, and thought "Hang on, Paul McCartney isn't a great musician, he's a great songwriter!" Then I realised that that mistake has been made throughout this forum. Yeah.

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They always cite Yo-Yo Ma as the greatest musician, partly because he embraces "all genres and cultural and ethnic music". But think about it. Big Deal. He plays one note at a time. Seldom plays chords and when he does, it's mostly double-stop: two notes at a time. Who COULDN'T play any form of music on a one-note instrument?

Now you take a guy like Herbie Hancock or even funkier type like Reese Wynans. They're sometimes playing TEN NOTES at the same time. Sometimes playing complex, shifting chords in one hand while the other hand is playing rythmically opposing chorded and single-note melodies. This is far more than TEN TIMES more complicated than playing a single-note instrument given the complex interplay between hands.

So when people talk about the best musician, ya gotta start with and end with pianists. And a great guitarist trumps a great cellist any day o' the week.


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an amazing songwriter is an amazing musician as he/she is creating music..... :)
this topic is TOO relative :lol:


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Prince has written some catchy tunes. The SNL Prince is a classic and I often wish I could answer questions in every day life with my guitar.

Maruuk I've got to hand it to you man you say a lot of really insightful stuff. Your comment about hum and Fender Custom 50s heaven was so smart I put it as my screen saver since it reflects underlying Taoist philosophical insight.

Here's the thing about piano - it gets all the credit because it's got the classical background. That's also true with the cello and those older instruments used in classical music - even horns. I like all of them, but old doesn't mean better folks. Piano has the advantage of being built to be consistent with musical notation, while guitars are pre-existing in basic form (lutes go way back right?) and you cannot really play from just basic classical music notes, because a guitar can make the same note in the same key in a whole lot of different places. So we always catch hell for just reading tab, at least from my piano-playing wife, but that's also a form of music notation. Still, in the end piano players who are awesom play the bass cleff and the music cleff perfectly and are incredible. If you don't start at age 3 or something you can never do it well enough to be world class due to something about brain hemispheres or something like that and getting everything perfectly in synch. So, I have to go along with a piano player but my bet is it's someone with huge amount of classical training and ability who also has the ability to excel at improvisational jazz - may be Herbie Hancock I don't know.

At the same time, Guitar musicians deserve some freakin' respect. If you play much Clapton, which I do with varying success, you quickly realize a couple of things. First, he's doing a lot of very complex chords very quickly; everyone knows about the leads but try the chords and they are amazing. Second, on many songs he's arranging multiple stringed instruments - guitars - to create a seamless whole to incredible effect - with chords, leads, etc. working perfectly. Another thing if you dig underneath with Clapton you find amazing Easter Eggs. Like on Layla, there's a minor chord progression played very quickly, and if you take that out and play it and slow it down it's breathtakingly beautiful and heartbroken - a hidden musical poem reflecting Clapton's broken heart in Layla. It's different than songwriting a catchy tune - it's musicianship to the nth degree. So, for greatest living guitar musician I would definitely go with Clapton hands down.

Greatest songwriter goes to a team: Lennon-McCartney who really did great work together, complimenting each other perfectly.


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an amazing songwriter is an amazing musician as he/she is creating music..... :)
this topic is TOO relative :lol:


So by saying that, you're saying that all music is songs? No. Musicians are good at playing an instrument, that's what I'm saying - they have skill at their instrument. For example, when Liam Gallagher first started out with Oasis he was a shocking Guitarist. He wrote awesome songs, but couldn't play for sh*t.

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