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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:13 pm
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Prince is Arguably one of the all time great guitarists. Based on most of your comments I'm not the only one that thinks so. I believe that Mr. Armadillo hit the old nail square on the head with his estimation of why the man wasn't taken more seriously in the beginning. The late 70's and early 80's were strewn with flamboyantly dressed young men that appeared to be making some sort of cross gender statement. Some of there lyrics were a bit on the vulgar side. I for one wasn't ready for that kind of image. Many of the great performers of the time fit the mold perfectly. Remember, Boy George/Sir Elton John/Micheal Jackson/Prince & for god sake we cant forget The great Little Richard. the list goes on. I think it all boils down to great showmanship, and would be and is much more readily accepted today. Rock on you frilly boys. 8)
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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:21 pm
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Jarvius1992 wrote:
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He's a very talented musician, I just never heard one of his songs that I liked.

Believe me, I'd be happy to play the geetar have that good!

Oh, and there was this "ex" in my past that was a HUGE Prince fan, maybe my disdain for her carried over to him, sort of "guilt by association" ya know?


You have to check out his 1999(1982) album. "Little Red Corvette", "Lady Cab Driver", "DMSR", "All The Critics Love U In New York" etc... But "Around The World In A Day is my favorite album. It's a very Psychedelic/Beatle-ish record.



Oh, I've heard all that stuff, the "ex" I mentioned was around the time of Purple Rain coming out, saw the movie, heard all his music up until then. It's amazing what you'll compromise on for the one you love, :roll: , or love at the time anyway.


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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:53 pm
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I find him very boring


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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:30 pm
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"Why is Prince so underrated?"

Simple fact is that he isn't underrated at all. See all the posts here for ample proof of that.

I acknowledge that his is not the first name that comes to mind when you're asked to name the 'great' guitar players. Rightly or wrongly, that will be a list of 4, maybe 5 first generation guitar stars: Hendrix, then the Clapton/Beck/Page trinity and just possibly Ritchie Blackmore.

Then you have the next generation of more technically advanced players that broke through, the next innovators: Van Halen, Vai, Satriani and maybe Malmstein.

Prince is in the middle of those two waves somewhere. Like May, Moore, Santana, Schenker etc. Which seems to make them somehow slightly less celebrated.

And notice how these players are generally known as 'rock/blues' players? Where the guitar is widely celebrated? Again, rightly or wrongly, guitarists working outside that particular field are again less celebrated it seems to me. And as a player perceived to be 'funk based', Prince maybe misses the boat again. (Actually, I think Prince is a rock guitar player at heart, but that's neither here nor there). Look at the neo Jazzers, some magnificent guitarists - Alan Holdsworth, Frank Zappa etc - none of them are the first names on people's lips. Obscure, 'difficult' and certainly not working in the right field. Albert Lee? Brad Paisley? Again, not working in fields that celebrate guitarists, despite their incredible talents..

Maybe you agree with my brief analysis, or maybe not, but for me it accounts for the answer to your question. No doubt some may complain I've missed their particular favourite or important player, but I don't claim my examples to be comprehensive. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:54 pm
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I'm the odd man out. I can't stand him or his music. No offense meant to his fans. He's just not my thing.

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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:30 pm
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Jarvius1992 wrote:
I've been a Prince fan for about 5 years now, and I never heard anyone mention him in the same sentence as Eric Clapton, Carlos Santana etc... The guy is a beast. Listen to "Peach", "Temptation"(he totally channels Hendrix on this song) etc...

Show the man some respect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyh_U32gbOo


"I've been a Prince fan for about 5 years now, and I never heard anyone mention him in the same sentence as Eric Clapton, Carlos Santana etc.."

a fan since the early 80s, Prince usually is the sentence subject as he is one of a kind.

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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:19 am
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I like Prince but couldn't help giggle at what Lemmy said to Dave Grohl on the subject, "I've seen Hendrix. What do I need to see him for?".

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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:46 pm
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Never been a fan as such, talented musician / performer, don't think you could nail him down as primarily a guitar player therefore can't be pidgeon holed


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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:35 pm
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I my self have never underrated Prince the dude can play!

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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:27 pm
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Jarvius1992 wrote:
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I truly appreciate the talent of Prince Rogers Nelson. While certainly a talented and versatile player on a multitude of instruments, an appealing singer, a prolific songwriter and a polished engaging performer, Prince is still perceived by critics as lacking dimension and versatility since he concentrates almost exclusively on the dance/R&B genre. There is also the matter of his eccentricity.

The other names you mentioned have played in many genres and styles for their own projects and others projects, not to mention that they had a 20 year head start. Whenever Prince plays it is for his own projects, not with or for others projects. While he has had proteges, and others have covered his material, he hasn't actually played guitar for anyone else so far as I know.

I would not say he has not been given his due since he has racked up 10 Platinum albums, 30 Top 40 singles, one Oscar, one Golden Globe, 7 Grammys, ranks 27th on the Rolling Stone list of the 100 Greatest Artists Of All Time and was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame on his first year of ballot eligibility in 2004. That is hardly being ignored by the music community.


He played everything on The Time's first 3 albums.


Yes, but those were PRINCE productions. All 3. And they sound like Prince too.


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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:38 pm
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Also I've noticed that there is a startling difference between Prince's recorded works and his live shows in how vastly more important his guitar work becomes in the live work. Also I've noticed when playing very intricate songs with a heavy guitar emphasis he has a Fender Telecaster that he highly favors over any of the dozens of custom made ones.

So, part of the problem is how much difference there is between his recorded works and his live shows. I think anyone who sees him play a show live comes away far more impressed with him as a world class guitarist than the majority of people who only hear the techno-pop-funk-synth heavy recordings where the guitar work is much less up front.


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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:24 pm
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Jarvius1992 wrote:
I've been a Prince fan for about 5 years now, and I never heard anyone mention him in the same sentence as Eric Clapton, Carlos Santana etc... The guy is a beast. Listen to "Peach", "Temptation"(he totally channels Hendrix on this song) etc...

Show the man some respect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyh_U32gbOo

He actually has a lot of musical talent, but he went for style over substance, so it got lost in the mix... Besides, his music was too pop for the cool folk of his day.

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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:51 am
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Distilled to the essence, audiences such as we are looking to the art and virtuosity of the musician whereas as Prince has capitalized on his stage presence with his music as his support. His guitar is not the same kind of channel it is for someone like Joe Bonamassa.
That solo Prince did at the Hall of Fame concert was killer, but he still had to do that thing with the guitar rising out of his hands, another example of how he detracts attention from himself . He should have ended the set with all eyes on him and taken the cudos he earned for the performance.

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Post subject: Re: Why is Prince so underrated?
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:41 am
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I just got to see him run through a rehearsal of his show last night here in my hometown...for free,no less, and I have to say it was a pretty impressive. When he cuts out all the theatrics he can really make a tele beg for more. He's doing two nights in Toronto this weekend and both shows are sold out......hmmm still love the way he cuts a James Brown groove with "You Sexy Motherfucker" :wink:

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