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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:15 am
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Arjay, that would be EXACTLY the type of thing I was referring too! A degree in ditch digging would be worth more!

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And you'd end up with a marketable skill to boot! :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:16 am
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Buxom wrote:
To be honest, I think the constitution needs to be rewritten to suit our modern ideals. The people should also be able to vote on what goes in it. I also think the Patriot Act needs to be done away with. In the grand scheme of things, terrorists killing about 3,000 people wasn't very much. Not to say that those 3,000 didn't matter, but I think we overreacted, considering every potential threat is a potential terrorist threat. When the earthquack hit Virginia, a lot of people thought it was terrorism. I thought it was bullshit. Just my $0.02.


There isn't a politician intelligent enough to even begin to rewrite the Constitution. It has been amended. Not always a great thing. How about we stop pissing on it and actually reading it as it was intended. Here's a concept, how about a little personal responsibility and maybe thinking about the consequences for our actions? Our modern ideals are what's destroying the entire planet. It's funny, no one even likes to vote in our elections, would you want 30% of the population determining what goes in the Constitution for the entire population of our country?


+100M...Supro you are so right on that...Gee follow the constitution, take personnal responsibility for your actions and actually get out and Vote. I have been voting since I turned 18 and never miss even a local election.

Supro, you forgot one thing...give him back his $0.02 back it wasn't worth much! :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:18 am
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IMO we have plenty of 1st Ammendment rights. The problem is in the application of them, far too many people feel that they can say or do anything. I tend to disagree with that school of thought. Destroying property, inciting riots etc are not speech it is criminal activity. In NYC when you want to protest you get a permit. No where in the application is there an allowance for camping in the parks. I am tired of the irresponsibility of this generation and the constant complaining they do. You took out a mortgage you could not afford, not my problem when the bank forcloses on your house. Man up and quit complaining. Sorry for the rant but as a 2 war veteran i am so sick of these people who think that everyone owes them something when they haven't done much of anything.
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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:30 am
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Buxom wrote:
I see you can't respect a political opinion. I don't say the pledge, I think 'God' should be off of my money and out of my school, I think we should switch to bartering until we know how to handle the money in question, We didn't need to go to war, Regan was incompetent because he had a mental disability, Clinton shouldn't have been forced out of office. Yes, we have a first amendment.

Spoken like a true victim of the government education system. :roll:

How's that hopey, changey thing working out for you?
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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:32 am
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stratofiedmind wrote:
Buxom, please stay in school .

This is the ONLY part of your post I disagree with...
It was her lovely "school" education that taught her to be an atheist / communist.
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William Jefferson Clinton served two full terms as president and was not forced out of office. As to your other comments- someone once told me that if you are a conservative at twenty there is something wrong with your heart, but, if you are a liberal at fourty there is something wrong with your head. No offense meant to anyone who disagrees in advance. :)

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:35 am
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We have to face reality the Financial Crisis of today is a product of the Clinton years when they Repealed of Glass Steagall of 1933 Bill Clinton and former Goldman Sachs partner Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and others thought the economy of the U.S. was being hamper at home and abroad as a global economy. Then came the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 and the The Community Reinvestment Act that required banks and thrifts to offer loans and other banking service areas to people they normally would not, including lower-income people. Thus come the predators that were now allowed to do business with the knowledge of failure years ahead but their money was made and the crash happened. These three act of the nineties are why we are at the current point in the banking industry and it can not be denied!
Then comes Bush who did nothing to correct the polices and stop the banking crash! Then we get into two Wars which we can not win do to political correctness, since Viet Nam we have not won a war and never will again until people realize war is hell and the only way to win one is like wars of the past. Destruction of the Enemies desire to fight which mean his homes and family his every thing. In the past we bombed cities factories, towns, civilians, and soldiers and that destroyed the will to fight. Look at Europe and Japan to name a few doing the 40's if we had made it policy to only bomb Military that war would have lasted who knows how long. Look at what the Viet Kong doctrine was and how they planed to defeat us. From within at home and it worked!
Now we have Obama who is with out doubt the least qualified Leader we have had in history and other leaders know it. They cannot fix the economy and are forgetting our allies and being taken advantage of by others. The man called America Lazy the other day while abroad. He has no clue of the Constitution, what gives the Government a right to require people to have insurance and if they don't then penalized. He is even ignoring the subpoenas about Solyndra. He increased the ridiculous powers of these Czar appointments and taken Executive orders to a new high. The only reason the man was elected is because 12.6 percent of America (2010 Census) is black and it's been shown that 95% of that voting block went his way and face reality we know why for the most part. If that one voting block split it votes percentage wise like the other voting blocks he would have lost.
Political correctness will be the end of America, fear of being labeled for saying what is known by the majority. The Constitution was not written as a living breathing document for those to misrepresent it's current meaning to please their own believes. There is way to change or add amendments. Problem to those who say it's a living breathing document no that it takes a majority of people and states to have a amendment so they use the judicial system and there appointees that they place there.

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:37 am
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Ahhh, sorry. My WH2 class only told me one side of the story(that he was impeached) I guess there's another thing in America I hate, the school system.

There might be hope for you yet. :mrgreen:
Just stop drinking the NEA Kool-Aid, and get on the net and read the news for yourself. Start here: http://drudgereport.com/

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:21 am
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ask a soldier what the constitution means. the first ammendment (bill of rights) is about freedom to speak out against the government without fear of reprisal. if the protesters would be there protesting against the government and not big business(wall street) it might be viewed another way.it's all in how they discribed the protest ideas. besides a few bad apples have spoiled the bunch. all the theft rapes and violence in the protest areas have now infrenged on the rights of others, so it's time to go home. by the way you DO NOT have the right to just go and protest against anything YOU view as a problem or curse out your neighbor because he spends too much.there are other methods to try besides camping in a city park. it's america, thank god someone fought for it, just quit mucking it up.


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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:08 am
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OK....I was just going to lurk but....

Cvilleira.....I disagree with a few if not all of your points...

(1) Had you bothered to listen to Obama's speech in it's entirety and not gleaned just sound bites, you would have heard a reference to Congress as well as Washington as being Lazy, not the american public.

(2) On your views as to war.... :shock: You are clearly in the McCain mindset of going in with all guns blazing and ask questions later....Brilliant... :wink:

(3) As far as the Glass Steagall Act...(A) Congress repealed it...(B) If regulators fail to regulate than we reach an unsustainable risk ratio...The GS itself was overkill, but at the time it was a kneejerk reaction to a severe crisis, not a panacea but better than sitting on the sidelines hoping for divine intervention... :roll:
To that effect, the Glass Steagall creators themselves tried to repeal it some time later due to unforeseen complications.

(4) Low income does not in itself guarantee irresponsibility....Nice broad brush stroke there.
Many people with L.I. actually are much more financially responsible than others who earn 6 or 7 figure incomes and above.
Again it was up to the Mortgage regulators to determine wether the borrower's history warranted a loan approval...Once again asleep at the wheel as well as increased dividends were the primary reasons for unscrupulous approvals.....See Gordon Gekko..." Greed Is Good "

(5) Which brings up the Financial Bail Out......Your suggestion is what/was... :?: :idea:
Should have let the banks fail.... :?: :lol:
Lehman Brothers was a glimpse of events becoming a nightmarish reality . Had the major banks failed, we would certainly not be here today discussing in hindsight.
A depression would be the current financial malaise, which is a pleasant description of a horrific chain of events. I don't think you want to admit there was no choice.
We had gone too far, by we that means all of us who have credit cards and have been leveraging ourselves to unsustainable levels for decades.
You cannot remove yourself from the equation, that is too easy. We are, like it or lump it, part of the problem we created. You cannot just point fingers like infantile idiots in a sandbox.
Concise creative solutions or at the very least suggestions are in short supply.

(6) Since you brought up Health-Care Reform. I actually don't have an issue with the requirement to have Healthcare Insurance. I myself have an issue with people refusing to take reponsibility in being healthy. Meaning attention to a healthy nutrition plan, regular exercise and rest, but more to the point of wanting medical services to alleviate a self induced list of sedentary ailments and wanting taxpayers to pay for it....
I see an encompassing health insurance as a provision to all, a safety net so that one could get medical help in case of need. But it will not work longterm unless certain criteria's are also part and parcel of the ( Personal Responsibility ) Health-Care package.

(7) That brings up your other glaringly illuminating standpoint on elections and who's who and what's not or should I say should have been..... :?:
Your post comments give the impression of a highly prejudicial standpoint...One harking back to the days of Wallace, the south will rise again and let's put them in their place... :shock:
I hope I'm wrong but if not then you really need to see the world as it is not as you wish it would have stayed.

(8) It's great that you can quote the Constitution, however your viewpoints contradict your quotes as strongly as a bucket of ice water down your spine.....


(1) I Did listen to his speech. Twice at the University!

(2) You don't go in guns blazing but if you go you do so to win. How have past wars been won? Fire bombing, atomic weapons, cities destroyed, civilians dead!

(3) But it was there for what 70 years!

(4) Lower income does mean higher risk it can not be denied! Low credit ratings even cost those higher insurance cost because claims are even higher among lower income which does effect ratings.

(5) The bail out has fail! Our children still have to pay for it, HOW? Why do Liberal like to call people names? IDIOTS finger pointing! George Bush Debt/GDP 84.3% Horrible and not what people voted for! Barrack Obama Debt/GDP 99.6% just making thing worst but he gets a pass and we no why! And race should never be in the equation because it don't matter. No one should get a pass!

(6) It's unconstitutional requirement. How do you pay for it? Cost to those who have insurance have risen drastically because of it. Insurance companies are in business to make money, pre exiting condition requirements are design to put them out of business by making them give insurance to someone whom they know will cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars is ridiculous, who of their insured will have to make it up. It is leading up to a single payer system Government. Have Medicare agency insure those only who need it at a cost only to those who use it. Run it as a for profit agency so not to cost all tax payers and return the profits to the holders (those insured) in lower cost. Thats just a thought, there has to be better!

(7) You can't deny that by all polls that most of the black population voted for Obama and that it was mainly because of color. That has been shown and is not a prejudicial standpoint by me. It just a fact that Liberals won't admit and when those who say it the liberals are quick to label them racist! More name calling and inject the unjust of the past with a wide brush.

(8) The Constitution gets discussed a lot in Political science class.

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:14 am
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OK...PKBassman...We now know that you can Cut and Paste.
Certainly you would care to illuminate us all as to your standpoints... :?:
With perhaps concise paragraphs instead of quick sound bites...

A discussion does require input, not just Hear...Hear...from the Gallery.... :?

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
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hey guys...congress is pushing to have pizza declared a vegitable because of the tomato sauce. i hope they also declare beer is good for you because it doesn't change color when you pee. i love it when idiots get thier priorities in line.awesome. and we're worried about the constitution. no wonder the world wants us dead...they're tired of our comedy routine.


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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:07 am
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First of all T2, sorry for calling you Junior. At times I let my temper get to me, my bad and again, I do apologize. Now I admit, I don't profess to know everything that there is about politics but, I am concerned with the current state of our country. Am I a fan of Obama, hell no. I made the mistake of drinking his kool-aid back in 08 and did vote for him. It was either him or McCain & Palin , and IMO I decided to go with the lesser of the 2 evils. I do wish that Hillary Clinton had decided to toss her hat in for the Democratic nod in 2012 , because she would definately get my vote. Looking at the Republican Party, there isn't a viable candidate that I feel I can trust to lead this country. I do feel that the Occupiers should've been protesting all along on both the steps of Congress and the White House. After all, wasn't it both Congress and Bush who agreed to bail the banks out in 2008 ? Just some food for thought.


Jeffo46...Apology accepted. I am not an unreasonable man, and respect you have your opinion and outlook on life even though I disagree with it. We can argue facts, opinions, and our governments performance, but we should never stoop to name calling.

So we are good. Now how about going and cranking up a Fender guitar through a Fender Tube amp and forget what a mess our government has made?

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Ahhh, sorry. My WH2 class only told me one side of the story(that he was impeached) I guess there's another thing in America I hate, the school system.

Buxom, "impeach" doesn't mean remove from office. it means congress has accused the president of some sort of wrong doing. ......they then vote to have sort of a trial(not really a trial) to see if he should be removed from office. Someone out there might correct me but I don't think that ever happened beyond the talking stage.

Impeachment is part of the process, two Presidents have been impeached. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, after impeachment it takes a two thirds Senate vote to remove from office. Johnson fell one vote short and Clinton was impeached on two counts so there were two votes in the Senate, they were 50-50 on Perjury and 45-55 for obstruction of Justice. These proceedings also have been held for a few Judges and Cabinet people

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