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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:23 pm
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To be honest, I think the constitution needs to be rewritten to suit our modern ideals. The people should also be able to vote on what goes in it. I also think the Patriot Act needs to be done away with. In the grand scheme of things, terrorists killing about 3,000 people wasn't very much. Not to say that those 3,000 didn't matter, but I think we overreacted, considering every potential threat is a potential terrorist threat. When the earthquack hit Virginia, a lot of people thought it was terrorism. I thought it was bullshit. Just my $0.02.

I'm sure I've heard dumber comments than this, I just can't remember when. :roll:

Well...that came from a kid still too young to vote... :roll:


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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:24 pm
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IMO we have plenty of 1st Ammendment rights. The problem is in the application of them, far too many people feel that they can say or do anything. I tend to disagree with that school of thought. Destroying property, inciting riots etc are not speech it is criminal activity. In NYC when you want to protest you get a permit. No where in the application is there an allowance for camping in the parks. I am tired of the irresponsibility of this generation and the constant complaining they do. You took out a mortgage you could not afford, not my problem when the bank forcloses on your house. Man up and quit complaining. Sorry for the rant but as a 2 war veteran i am so sick of these people who think that everyone owes them something when they haven't done much of anything.
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:41 pm
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Nope, we stopped regarding "Freedom" back in the 50s after WWII scared all of America into submission in attempt for comfort


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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:17 pm
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I can appreciate that fact, but he'll be able to vote in the near future. The 3000 people comment got under my skin. He mentioned one time his older brother was a commie, I'll bet his point of view would be different if his bro was one of those 3000. :)


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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:26 pm
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I see you can't respect a political opinion. I don't say the pledge, I think 'God' should be off of my money and out of my school, I think we should switch to bartering until we know how to handle the money in question, We didn't need to go to war, Regan was incompetent because he had a mental disability, Clinton shouldn't have been forced out of office. Yes, we have a first amendment.

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:38 pm
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Jeffo...Yes you have a first amendment right...you do not however, have the right to go camping in public parks and staying for weeks on end...that is called sqauting and is against the law. Oh and those police were quite polite about the whole thing.

If people want to know why the economy is in the dumper still, go STRAIGHT TO 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and ask the idiot that lives there, why he keeps doing things to kill jobs.

This whole OWS is a bunch of old hippies trying to relive thier youth and moronic college pukes who are just now finding out that having a degree does NOT make you employable, it just gets you in the door...so if they are still without jobs, they might want to look inward, and NOT blame everyone around them.


Ok I feel better now

Really ? Obama for your information, inherited a huge mess from the Bush administartion, which included 2 wars that have almost bankrupted us, tax cuts for the rich, bank bailouts, etc,. That and the fact that the Republicans in Congress have made it personal to put Obama out of office before anything else. What does that tell you about our so called elected offcials, huh ? For the last 11 years, most of the CEO's of some of our major companies have elected to move american jobs overseas for lower paying labor, why ? To save money and still pull in a profit at the American citizen's cost. Do you think them and the banks care about you and I ? Wake up and smell the roses junior, they're out to drive this country into 2 classes " The Rich & The Poor !" The Middle Class will soon become a thing of the past, especially if the Republicans , the Tea Party, and the Rich have their way.

We have to face reality the Financial Crisis of today is a product of the Clinton years when they Repealed of Glass Steagall of 1933 Bill Clinton and former Goldman Sachs partner Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and others thought the economy of the U.S. was being hamper at home and abroad as a global economy. Then came the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 and the The Community Reinvestment Act that required banks and thrifts to offer loans and other banking service areas to people they normally would not, including lower-income people. Thus come the predators that were now allowed to do business with the knowledge of failure years ahead but their money was made and the crash happened. These three act of the nineties are why we are at the current point in the banking industry and it can not be denied!
Then comes Bush who did nothing to correct the polices and stop the banking crash! Then we get into two Wars which we can not win do to political correctness, since Viet Nam we have not won a war and never will again until people realize war is hell and the only way to win one is like wars of the past. Destruction of the Enemies desire to fight which mean his homes and family his every thing. In the past we bombed cities factories, towns, civilians, and soldiers and that destroyed the will to fight. Look at Europe and Japan to name a few doing the 40's if we had made it policy to only bomb Military that war would have lasted who knows how long. Look at what the Viet Kong doctrine was and how they planed to defeat us. From within at home and it worked!
Now we have Obama who is with out doubt the least qualified Leader we have had in history and other leaders know it. They cannot fix the economy and are forgetting our allies and being taken advantage of by others. The man called America Lazy the other day while abroad. He has no clue of the Constitution, what gives the Government a right to require people to have insurance and if they don't then penalized. He is even ignoring the subpoenas about Solyndra. He increased the ridiculous powers of these Czar appointments and taken Executive orders to a new high. The only reason the man was elected is because 12.6 percent of America (2010 Census) is black and it's been shown that 95% of that voting block went his way and face reality we know why for the most part. If that one voting block split it votes percentage wise like the other voting blocks he would have lost.
Political correctness will be the end of America, fear of being labeled for saying what is known by the majority. The Constitution was not written as a living breathing document for those to misrepresent it's current meaning to please their own believes. There is way to change or add amendments. Problem to those who say it's a living breathing document no that it takes a majority of people and states to have a amendment so they use the judicial system and there appointees that they place there.

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:05 pm
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Ahhh, sorry. My WH2 class only told me one side of the story(that he was impeached) I guess there's another thing in America I hate, the school system.

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:49 pm
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Ahhh, sorry. My WH2 class only told me one side of the story(that he was impeached) I guess there's another thing in America I hate, the school system.

Also Buxom there is no place in the Constitution that say separation of Church and State.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It means there will be no Government sponsored or created religion, prohibit speech by you or the press and allow all to gather for such purposes to show discontent for any grievance.

The separation of church and state came from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptist where he said "wall of separation between church and state" Our for fathers were very religious but did not push for a single religion leaving it to all men to decide on their own. But religious finger prints are all over past writings also written by Thomas Jefferson were he mentions "Natures God" and also says their "creator". This represents all peoples Gods or believed creators. I am sure you no what document this is!

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:33 am
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OK....I was just going to lurk but....

Cvilleira.....I disagree with a few if not all of your points...

(1) Had you bothered to listen to Obama's speech in it's entirety and not gleaned just sound bites, you would have heard a reference to Congress as well as Washington as being Lazy, not the american public.

(2) On your views as to war.... :shock: You are clearly in the McCain mindset of going in with all guns blazing and ask questions later....Brilliant... :wink:

(3) As far as the Glass Steagall Act...(A) Congress repealed it...(B) If regulators fail to regulate than we reach an unsustainable risk ratio...The GS itself was overkill, but at the time it was a kneejerk reaction to a severe crisis, not a panacea but better than sitting on the sidelines hoping for divine intervention... :roll:
To that effect, the Glass Steagall creators themselves tried to repeal it some time later due to unforeseen complications.

(4) Low income does not in itself guarantee irresponsibility....Nice broad brush stroke there.
Many people with L.I. actually are much more financially responsible than others who earn 6 or 7 figure incomes and above.
Again it was up to the Mortgage regulators to determine wether the borrower's history warranted a loan approval...Once again asleep at the wheel as well as increased dividends were the primary reasons for unscrupulous approvals.....See Gordon Gekko..." Greed Is Good "

(5) Which brings up the Financial Bail Out......Your suggestion is what/was... :?: :idea:
Should have let the banks fail.... :?: :lol:
Lehman Brothers was a glimpse of events becoming a nightmarish reality . Had the major banks failed, we would certainly not be here today discussing in hindsight.
A depression would be the current financial malaise, which is a pleasant description of a horrific chain of events. I don't think you want to admit there was no choice.
We had gone too far, by we that means all of us who have credit cards and have been leveraging ourselves to unsustainable levels for decades.
You cannot remove yourself from the equation, that is too easy. We are, like it or lump it, part of the problem we created. You cannot just point fingers like infantile idiots in a sandbox.
Concise creative solutions or at the very least suggestions are in short supply.

(6) Since you brought up Health-Care Reform. I actually don't have an issue with the requirement to have Healthcare Insurance. I myself have an issue with people refusing to take reponsibility in being healthy. Meaning attention to a healthy nutrition plan, regular exercise and rest, but more to the point of wanting medical services to alleviate a self induced list of sedentary ailments and wanting taxpayers to pay for it....
I see an encompassing health insurance as a provision to all, a safety net so that one could get medical help in case of need. But it will not work longterm unless certain criteria's are also part and parcel of the ( Personal Responsibility ) Health-Care package.

(7) That brings up your other glaringly illuminating standpoint on elections and who's who and what's not or should I say should have been..... :?:
Your post comments give the impression of a highly prejudicial standpoint...One harking back to the days of Wallace, the south will rise again and let's put them in their place... :shock:
I hope I'm wrong but if not then you really need to see the world as it is not as you wish it would have stayed.

(8) It's great that you can quote the Constitution, however your viewpoints contradict your quotes as strongly as a bucket of ice water down your spine.....

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:55 am
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T2Stratman wrote:
Jeffo...Yes you have a first amendment right...you do not however, have the right to go camping in public parks and staying for weeks on end...that is called sqauting and is against the law. Oh and those police were quite polite about the whole thing.

If people want to know why the economy is in the dumper still, go STRAIGHT TO 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and ask the idiot that lives there, why he keeps doing things to kill jobs.

This whole OWS is a bunch of old hippies trying to relive thier youth and moronic college pukes who are just now finding out that having a degree does NOT make you employable, it just gets you in the door...so if they are still without jobs, they might want to look inward, and NOT blame everyone around them.

I know this might sound harsh, but the truth usually is...

Ok I feel better now.

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Post subject: Re: Just wondering, Do we still Have A 1st Ammendment Anymor
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:57 am
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Really ? Obama for your information, inherited a huge mess from the Bush administartion, which included 2 wars that have almost bankrupted us, tax cuts for the rich, bank bailouts, etc,. That and the fact that the Republicans in Congress have made it personal to put Obama out of office before anything else. What does that tell you about our so called elected offcials, huh ? For the last 11 years, most of the CEO's of some of our major companies have elected to move american jobs overseas for lower paying labor, why ? To save money and still pull in a profit at the American citizen's cost. Do you think them and the banks care about you and I ? Wake up and smell the roses junior, they're out to drive this country into 2 classes " The Rich & The Poor !" The Middle Class will soon become a thing of the past, especially if the Republicans , the Tea Party, and the Rich have their way.

Spoken like a true member of The Entitlement Generation. :roll:
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The power hungry elite ruling class would love for you to believe that rights are granted by them instead of a creator. This way they can adjust them to be in their best interest. This is evident by the removal of the concept of a creator in our schools and society over the last 50 years. Someone needs to convince these misinformed people that when you punish the rich only the poor suffer.

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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:59 am
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Buxom wrote:
To be honest, I think the constitution needs to be rewritten to suit our modern ideals. The people should also be able to vote on what goes in it. I also think the Patriot Act needs to be done away with. In the grand scheme of things, terrorists killing about 3,000 people wasn't very much. Not to say that those 3,000 didn't matter, but I think we overreacted, considering every potential threat is a potential terrorist threat. When the earthquack hit Virginia, a lot of people thought it was terrorism. I thought it was bullshit. Just my $0.02.

Keep your hands off the Constitution. It's exactly perfect as it is. :roll:

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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:11 am
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Are you referring to "moronic college pukes" like this......?

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Am I the only person here who's not feeling sympathetic for that young woman?

No one put a gun to her head to take out a large loan to study a subject like that. It's no one's fault but her own if she can't make a living on that degree. Maybe she'll grow up someday and figure it out. :roll:

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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:14 am
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Jeffo, don't take this personal, but I won't argue Economics with someone does not understand them, but I will be glad to give you a free lesson...yes Obama got a small mess, from Bush on a couple fronts (Spending more than you take in), however, Bush did not double our debt to 15 Trillion as Obama has proceeded to do. Stop blaming Bush for Obama's Policies. The definition of being insane is doing the same thing over and over (Obamas spending) and expecting a different outcome. You cannot SPEND your way out of a recession! The Debt is Crippling this nation.

As for CEO's moving jobs out of the country, yes they do, you know why? Because in order to compete they have to find a guy that they don't have to pay inflated wages to, to build thier product...those wages are inflated by having to pay a union that you Must Join...that is certainly not American! Sorry but no one is going to pay a guy $25 an hour to push a broom in a factory.

I am one of those middle class by the way, and the only ones driving me away are the taxes I pay so some lazy $@! can sit on his or her couch complaining about everything while collecting a welfare check! I am also Paying Taxes so someone who is too lazy to get a job (no matter what it is) can have free health care? As for the TEA Party they are exactly what I am, an average middle class Citizen who is fed up with the overspending and then blaming the american public for being too lazy as our current President has done!

And calling me Junior is typical, when your arguments fail, you go personal...I have refrained from the name calling and have simply pointed out your errors on the facts. So show a little maturity why don't ya!

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