Is a Fender Really a Fender if it wasn't made in the USA?

somebizarredude · **Posted:** Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:35 pm

Rebelsoul wrote:

CRGuitar man...my American made Strats go to skanky bars and sit by the back door.....while we are outside the back door taking a break and would KILL anyone who walked out with it who shouldn't.....here in TN. we would just drag the offender into a holler and let the buzzards get a meal. :mrgreen:

I also have never had an issue here in Texas. you never know how many of the good ole boys are packing heat.... so your gear stays fairly safe.
people just tip their hat and put their hands back in their pockets :wink:

somebizarredude · **Posted:** Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:49 pm

Skirt So Plain wrote:

Those workers are nearly slaves and probably fear getting executed if they mess up.

this is the reason why we should not purchase things from china. I had to go to a Chinese factory to assist a production change during a UL audit. these people actually live in the factory and work over 16 hour days for barely enough to eat! the whole time the actual factory owner cruses around Hong Kong in a Ferrari. our guide even tried to take us to a restaurant that served TIGER! this is a communist country yet almost everything in american stores comes from there. the american people regularly support the abuse of the chinese people. if it says "Made In China" it was most likely made with communist slave labor.

I no longer work for that company for this reason.

Screamin' Armadillo · **Posted:** Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:10 pm

S Bender wrote:

If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one around to hear it, is it still a tree? :lol:

If a tree falls in the forest and hits Rosie O'Donnell, does anyone care?

somebizarredude · **Posted:** Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:13 pm

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

S Bender wrote:

If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one around to hear it, is it still a tree? :lol:

If a tree falls in the forest and hits Rosie O'Donnell, does anyone care?

no! because it would just bounce back upright :lol:

CRGuitarMan · **Joined:** Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:46 pm **Posts:** 2041

Gorgon wrote:

Point in all of this is when a company outsource part of their production to third world countries, in order to try to manufacture a cheap product, then it's no good, it usually ends in tears. Who is to say what level of training the employees at the factory have received? I'd bet it's nowhere near the level of training the employees in the Fender facility in the US get.

I wouldn't bet on that. What I have seen of recent Chinese workmanship is flawless. I also haven't shed any tears over "foreign" gear that I have bought. I also find it interesting that one of the most vociferous advocates of the FALSE vote in this poll is a guy in the UK, who must "import" his American guitars. No offense intended, it's just a little ironic.

Skirt So Plain wrote:

I'd even be willing to guess that the work done in China is at least as good as that done in the USA plant. The only difference is that the materials (wood quality) they are working with might be lower quality.

I would tend to agree that Chinese workers do just as good work as American workers, at least on guitars these days - let's face it, their machinery is probably just as good as ours - they probably stole the plans anyway. And I wouldn't worry about the wood materials. I know that a large percentage of American timber now goes straight to China. There are huge yards here in the Midwest that won't even sell 1,000 board feet to me as they say they are contracted to send all their oak, walnut and maple to China. Their yard is filled with huge shipping containers.

oxfan · **Posted:** Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:52 pm

This thread is getting depressing. Stating facts that are completely true.

In pretty much every regard, hope you're happy, troll!

Screamin' Armadillo · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:10 am

It's time. It must be done. Epic Footwear...

HIGH-JACKIN' TIME!!

ZZDoc · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:09 am

I once had a pair of blond boots my three year old son did me the honor of polishing......................BROWN :!:

nikininja · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:18 am

If you really look at Chinese employment, it's not slavery at all. Theres a video on Youtube of the Behringer factory. Their Chinese employees are looked after very well, as are a lot of other factory workers over there.

I think we should find out the facts of the situation rather than rely on common misconception and rumour. Likely propagated by the kind of nationalistic mind that we've seen rear it's ugly head on this thread.

somebizarredude · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:13 am

nikininja wrote:

If you really look at Chinese employment, it's not slavery at all. Theres a video on Youtube of the Behringer factory. Their Chinese employees are looked after very well, as are a lot of other factory workers over there.

I think we should find out the facts of the situation rather than rely on common and rumour. Likely propagated by the kind of that we've seen rear it's ugly head on this thread.

that may be, but the factory I went to in Ningbo "Zhejiang Twinsel" is a different story. there is no misconception here, I have seen it first hand. I may have a "nationalistic mind" but for good reason. do you honestly think a factory would allow a video to be taken that wasn't propaganda itself? at the beginning of the audit in ningbo china the factory had the appearance of humane treatment. but once production started the other half of the work force that was sent home for the "visit" came back and the slave labor commenced.
the factory will go to any extent to fake anything for "Propaganda" because its business......
some of the larger manufacturers like Behringer might be an exception. but the factory that make's the every day cheap crap at Walmart Is going to be bad.

I don't recommend you believe everything you see on youtube.
but its your choice.

fhopkins · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:53 am

stratofiedmind wrote:

somebizarredude wrote:

nikininja wrote:

If you really look at Chinese employment, it's not slavery at all. Theres a video on Youtube of the Behringer factory. Their Chinese employees are looked after very well, as are a lot of other factory workers over there.

I think we should find out the facts of the situation rather than rely on common and rumour. Likely propagated by the kind of that we've seen rear it's ugly head on this thread.

I don't recommend you believe everything you see on youtube.
but its your choice.

Hold on a minute, are you saying not everything you see on the internet is true? I for one am shocked! :shock:

I'm shocked too!!! :shock:

BTW. real nice footwear SA!!!

somebizarredude · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:59 am

stratofiedmind wrote:

somebizarredude wrote:

nikininja wrote:

If you really look at Chinese employment, it's not slavery at all. Theres a video on Youtube of the Behringer factory. Their Chinese employees are looked after very well, as are a lot of other factory workers over there.

I think we should find out the facts of the situation rather than rely on common and rumour. Likely propagated by the kind of that we've seen rear it's ugly head on this thread.

that may be, but the factory I went to in Ningbo "Zhejiang Twinsel" is a different story. there is no misconception here, I have seen it first hand. I may have a "nationalistic mind" but for good reason. do you honestly think a factory would allow a video to be taken that wasn't propaganda itself? at the beginning of the audit in ningbo china the factory had the appearance of humane treatment. but once production started the other half of the work force that was sent home for the "visit" came back and the slave labor commenced.
the factory will go to any extent to fake anything for "Propaganda" because its business......
some of the larger manufacturers like Behringer might be an exception. but the factory that make's the every day cheap crap at Walmart Is going to be bad.

I don't recommend you believe everything you see on youtube.
but its your choice.

Hold on a minute, are you saying not everything you see on the internet is true? I for one am shocked! :shock:

It's a shocker I know! :shock:

I always thought between Google, youtube and Wikipedia there would be absolutely no misinformation!!! :lol:

oxfan · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:07 am

O.K., now you've gone too far! How could anyone believe that there could be any false information on the internet. They have people who watch out for errors or misinformation, the classic example is right here on the Fender Forums. If you can't have faith in Google, YouTube and Wikipedia, just tell me what you CAN have faith in!

That was just mean to try and disillusion those of us who only think pure thoughts and contemplate good deeds.

Those were really nice boots.

somebizarredude · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:17 am

oxfan wrote:

O.K., now you've gone too far! How could anyone believe that there could be any false information on the internet. They have people who watch out for errors or misinformation, the classic example is right here on the Fender Forums. If you can't have faith in Google, YouTube and Wikipedia, just tell me what you CAN have faith in!

That was just mean to try and disillusion those of us who only think pure thoughts and contemplate good deeds.

Those were really nice boots.

nikininja · **Posted:** Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:54 am

And you don't think tales of poverty stricken communist countries is at all propaganda?

If that's the case why is it that China could bankrupt the USA and Europe at the same time in a heartbeat?

As for cheap crap sold in supermarkets.... Yeah Behringer fits that bill perfectly. Though I do like some of their stuff.

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