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Post subject: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:16 am
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For soloing?

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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:46 am
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When playing an auto-harp? Otherwise, I think it works anytime, with any instrument, for anybody, under any weather conditions. :)

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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:47 am
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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:02 am
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The pentatonic scale can be used as the basis of all 7 modes.

You just have to add the right "other" notes (and be in the right position, depending on whether the mode is major or minor).

There are some times when other scales are appropriate (when the basic pentatonic isn't), but those are few and far between in my experience.

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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:18 am
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It'll always 'work' but I have to agree with Orvilleowner, sometimes it just doesn't give you the appropriate 'flavour' the music may be begging for like playing the harmonic minor scale to add a cool Eastern vibe, for example, and if you've got a lot of solos in the set then relying on the pentatonic all night 'can' sound a little samey - I guess it depends on how many licks you've got in your pentatonic trick bag!


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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:37 am
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Everything I play is a pentatonic scale. I only know 3 chords really and that is G MAJOR, C MAJOR, and D MAJOR. I NEVER use the chords, I only know them. I hate any "cowboy chord" and I play all power chords. cya -Peace


WTF is a cowboy chord... :roll: :?: :?:

Please tell us that you play or not play a certain chord because it is either appropriate or not appropriate in that particular musical context...

Not because it isn't cool or fashionable or whatever the bias.

If the later than you are missing out on a lot of excellent music, you might want to reassess in a more objective mode as listener.
It's music, played by musicians, either it appeals to you or it doesn't, no need for stereotypical branding, we have enough of that everywhere else.

Don't be old and " Cramoisie " before your time...( hopefully never ) :wink:

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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:16 am
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Cowboy chords are the regular ol' major & minor first position open chords.

They're nicknamed that because they're all the "singing cowboys" like Roy Rogers and Gene Autry ever used. They didn't play fancy jazz chords with lots of extensions or barre chords or double stops or anything like that -- they just strummed open chords.

When Jimi was tuning on stage he'd often say "Sorry, only cowboys stay in tune". That was a reference to the way Roy and Gene could strap a guitar onto the back of their horses, ride all day, then pull them down by the campfire, start playing, and be perfectly in tune. (Sort of the way their six-shooters could fire dozens of bullets without being reloaded.)


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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:26 am
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It's pathetic that someone never uses an open major chord and only knows five notes...not much musicianship there...don't limit yourself so much....music is a lot more than power chords and a pentatonic scale....believe me,you will be as limited as you let yourself be.
I played live classic rock last night in a club and used the so called "cowboy chords", barre chords,and major and minor scales while soloing and we never played one country song.We played cover songs by everyone from the Eagles,Allman Brothers,Jimi Hendrix,Pearl Jam,Grateful Dead etc.,it was a great time....and I've heard guys try stuff like that using only pentatonic scales and power chords and it sucks at best.
You can spend your whole life learning so much more! :wink:


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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:33 am
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You can always use it, thus declaring any seeming mistakes made as your modulating through a diminished scale. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:40 am
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Martian wrote:
You can always use it, thus declaring any seeming mistakes made as your modulating through a diminished scale. :wink:

Yeah...in other words...fake it! :lol:


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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:59 am
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Rebelsoul wrote:
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You can always use it, thus declaring any seeming mistakes made as your modulating through a diminished scale. :wink:

Yeah...in other words...fake it! :lol:


Right!!!

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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:38 am
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strayedstrater wrote:
Cowboy chords are the regular ol' major & minor first position open chords.

They're nicknamed that because they're all the "singing cowboys" like Roy Rogers and Gene Autry ever used. They didn't play fancy jazz chords with lots of extensions or barre chords or double stops or anything like that -- they just strummed open chords.

When Jimi was tuning on stage he'd often say "Sorry, only cowboys stay in tune". That was a reference to the way Roy and Gene could strap a guitar onto the back of their horses, ride all day, then pull them down by the campfire, start playing, and be perfectly in tune. (Sort of the way their six-shooters could fire dozens of bullets without being reloaded.)


Hence one kept criticism of their playing to one's self lest.... :shock: ...

Thanks for the explanation, as a little kid in France I used to love that music, probably the reason I always watched Westerns....

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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:33 am
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I do believe that the pentatonic scale is banned in jazz...

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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:44 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
Martian wrote:
You can always use it, thus declaring any seeming mistakes made as your modulating through a diminished scale. :wink:

Yeah...in other words...fake it! :lol:


Just make a serious, bluesy face with it :)

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Post subject: Re: When can you NOT use the pentatonic scale?
Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:00 pm
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strayedstrater wrote:
Cowboy chords are the regular ol' major & minor first position open chords.

They're nicknamed that because they're all the "singing cowboys" like Roy Rogers and Gene Autry ever used. They didn't play fancy jazz chords with lots of extensions or barre chords or double stops or anything like that -- they just strummed open chords.

When Jimi was tuning on stage he'd often say "Sorry, only cowboys stay in tune". That was a reference to the way Roy and Gene could strap a guitar onto the back of their horses, ride all day, then pull them down by the campfire, start playing, and be perfectly in tune. (Sort of the way their six-shooters could fire dozens of bullets without being reloaded.)


Cool story.

I play in the open position as much as permits. If I want power chords I just mute the 3rd. What a strange thing to have a vain discrimination concerning open chords. I'll bet most people with that attitude only play in drop D.

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