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Post subject: Has this idea been put into practice?
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:54 am
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I tried to find info on this complicated idea I thought of last night, but couldn't. So if it does exist, tell me.

I was thinking about amps last night and thought about a twin amp with "Speaker Splitting", as I called it. Sort of like coil splitting, but with an amp, so 2 guitarists can play on it at once. There would be 2 inputs and a 4 way switch.

First setting: Solo Twin. Uses the first input and both speakers and both channels.
Second setting: Solo 1. Uses the first input and only 1 speaker for reduced noise and uses both channels. (sort of like a practice amp, but with more versatility)
Third setting: Solo 2: Just like Solo 1, but on a different speaker.
Fourth setting: Duet: Uses both inputs, activates both channes, and splits the speakers. Both channels have separate options like separate reverbs, gains, and all of the other settings.

Just sort of an idea. I'm not quite sure how it came to me. I just thought of it randomly.

Tell me what you think.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:26 am
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Hi Buxom. Not precisely what you are suggesting, but another version of speaker splitting: Joe Bonamassa uses two 4x12 speaker cabs into which he runs four amps. Each amp goes to a vertical pair of speakers. One amp (the Marshall) is always on, giving his core tone. Then he mixes that sound with one of the other three, via a three-way foot switch to choose between them.

So he's blending cleaner and dirtier amps sounds via dedicated pairs of speakers.

When I first heard about it I thought that was absurdly over the top. That is, until I stood about 12 feet in front of that rig one night in a small 400 capacity venue and heard the sound coming straight off the backline, sans PA. I'm here to tell you it was the best live guitar tone I've ever heard in my life bar none. And I've heard a lot.

I've also heard Joe many times since, and while he always sounds good he's never again quite scaled the mountain peak of that first gig, to my ears...

Anyhow. That's the deluxe approach to bi-amping - which whatever the wiring is essentially what you're talking about. Lotta people do it: not so unusual. Even some multi-FX units these days emulate the sound of multiple amps and drivers simultaneously on. It's a reasonable method.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:51 am
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Ohh thanks. That gives me an idea to experiment with my cab. It has 2 ports and 4 speakers, so I could get 2 heads and split em. But I was talking about in a one piece amp. If I had money to burn, I'd buy a Frontman 212R and try to get it to work. I've thought of many inventions over my 15 years of life and this one is the only one that seems to be practical.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:17 am
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Buxum: Go for it! If necessity is the Mother of Invention, surely creativity is it's Daddy.

What the heck it's fun to experiment. While not exactly on the same scale as your project, when I was a kid, with an acoustic guitar and no amp, I mic-ed my guitar through the mouthpiece of an old rotary dial telephone, wired into my record player.

Keep us posted.

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Joe Bonamassa uses two 4x12 speaker cabs into which he runs four amps. Each amp goes to a vertical pair of speakers. One amp (the Marshall) is always on, giving his core tone. Then he mixes that sound with one of the other three, via a three-way foot switch to choose between them.

So he's blending cleaner and dirtier amps sounds via dedicated pairs of speakers.


Ceri: do you happen to know what is other three amps were?


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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:20 am
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I don't have $300 for a 212R. I certainly wouldn't want to mess it up either. Maybe Fender could make this happen, considering they are worth billions.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:03 pm
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I'd still like to know if anyone could tell me how to do this.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:32 pm
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Effectively, you'd need two amps in one chassis. Simple as that.

The hard part would be condensing the actual amplifier section into a part small enough to fit with another, plus, say, 2x12" speakers in one cabinet. Interesting idea.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:34 pm
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I just want to do it so my friends and I don't have to move my or their amps around to play together. But I don't have the money or the smarts.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:38 pm
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Sounds to me like you have plenty of smarts. Get all your ideas down on paper. As you're ready present them to the right person, and the magic of creation will come together. Good luck with your thinking and don't give up on any of your ideas. 8) 8)
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:49 pm
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Maybe some Fender officials should read this.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:12 pm
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I'd still like some opinions on it. Would anyone buy one?

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:31 pm
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A few years ago, Line 6 made an amp called the Duoverb. It purportedly allowed the user to blend two totally distinct amps (much like your idea). I don't know if it allowed two players at once, but it did work as advertised...as much as any digital modeling amp works (some I like, some are poo).

You could buy two rackmounted power amps (I know Marshall makes such an animal) and put those into a halved speaker cab; that would work the same way, with less space and weight...but the cost wouldn't fit your budget.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:39 pm
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My budget of $0 currently lol.

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:45 pm
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Back in the 60's and early 70's a lot of us used to plug into a two channel Fender or another makers amps. You don't see alot of two channel amps anymore but the reissue Deluxe Reverb and Twin Reverb have two channels and you can plug two guitars in it with separate volume controls. So just find a two channel amp. Even better, a couple of cheap amps, don't be lazy.


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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:47 pm
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Really? Wow. My idea is useless.

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