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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:55 pm
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Gibson is run by Nazis!

I knew I was right when I picked Fender.

Kid,saying something about Nazis in a joking manner is taken offensively by some here who had relatives in the holocaust...it's been done before in an insensitive attempt at humor...you might want to read something of the history of the period before throwing the word around in such a careless manner. :wink:

Back to the topic at hand...the remarks on lack of clarity on the subject have almost made me question a friend of mine who is a Gibson employee in Nashville,but when you're dealing with something as powerful as "gubbermint" raids on the place where you work...I don't relish putting him on the spot.


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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 4:58 pm
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I'm Jewish and Russian. I'm pretty sure I have relatives who were killed by the atrocities of WWII.

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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:22 pm
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I'm Jewish and Russian. I'm pretty sure I have relatives who were killed by the atrocities of WWII.

Then you should understand...some people take it hard....and don't even like the word....

for myself......"yankee" is a dirty word.... :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 5:29 pm
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To be honest, I don't let my racial background effect who I am. If I were black, I wouldn't let the n word offend me. It's just a word.

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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2011 7:21 pm
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Buxom wrote:
To be honest, I don't let my racial background effect who I am. If I were black, I wouldn't let the n word offend me. It's just a word.


Yes and " Let them eat Cake " was just a phrase as was " Off with their Heads "

Words do matter, and their meaning also, gentrifying the N word in either context does not erase the tragic history nor does it make it palatable.
I cannot understand why any African American would refer to themselves with the N word any more than a woman would refer to herself as the B. or the C. word. As also any german referring to themselves as Nazi's.
All are based on derogatory description's of a particular segment of the human race, being aware of the past historical context of those words should give anyone with a modicum of dignity, a sense of revulsion in using them in any context....especially in jest.....

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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:41 am
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Umm, okay and back to the original thread. I doubt Gibson staged anything. The fact is someone has it in for Gibson. It could just be a disgruntled ex-employee that worked in shipping/receiving. LOL
This thread is taking a seriously funny turn with all the conspiracy stuff. We went from a raid for wood to politics to Labor Unions to Nazi's and lets not forget my ex-employee thing. Apparently no one has the facts and this whole thread in nothing more than speculation. :roll:

No offense, but I doubt the Nazi comment was meant to hurt anyone. Remember the "Soup Nazi"? Mel Brooks made fun of Nazi's constantly. Time to grow a thicker skin. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:00 am
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The nazi comment didn't ruffle my feathers either 63...but I've seen it happen here not too long ago,so that's why I mentioned it.....and thanks,but I'm not growing thicker anywhere except around the middle. :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:03 am
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Rebelsoul wrote:
The nazi comment didn't ruffle my feathers either 63...but I've seen it happen here not too long ago,so that's why I mentioned it.....and thanks,but I'm not growing thicker anywhere except around the middle. :mrgreen:


Me too :lol: :lol:

Okay, lets move on before this escalates into something it shouldn't be.

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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:12 am
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the little green men that visit me seem to think that this is all their fault :roll: I tried to explain to them that mind control is wrong, but their argument is that we could resist it if we tried hard enough :wink:

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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:43 am
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the little green men that visit me seem to think that this is all their fault :roll: I tried to explain to them that mind control is wrong, but their argument is that we could resist it if we tried hard enough :wink:



Do those little green men look like this: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ??

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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:50 am
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Stratfreak51 wrote:
somebizarredude wrote:
the little green men that visit me seem to think that this is all their fault :roll: I tried to explain to them that mind control is wrong, but their argument is that we could resist it if we tried hard enough :wink:



Do those little green men look like this: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: ??



:shock: OMG thats them!!! don't let them give you a ride! stranger danger!!!

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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:29 am
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To the degree I can determine, given the spottiness of news stories, the matter all comes down to, in this case, the "meaning" of the word "finished" The wood in question is not illegal to harvest or sell, but must be sold/exported in a "finished" state.

The "finished" product must be exported. Gibson is importing "finished" blank fingerboards, by someones definition finished, but perhaps not the Federal definition.
It is revealed that the Feds. told Gibson to get their necks made overseas, using the same wood, and the problem would be eliminated.

Given the vauge way these reguations are written I doubt a clear definition of "finished" exists.

This is just one example of the many Federal regulations hiding in mountains of legislation waiting to bite each and every one of us. Chances are over the course of the next 365 days you will have violated some Federal regulation without knowing. This happens to good citizens every day. We are all felons now, without knowing.

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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:36 am
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The Lacey act:

http://www.fws.gov/le/pdffiles/Lacey.pdf

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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:42 am
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Post subject: Re: The Real Story About The Gibson/Rosewood Fiasco
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 7:39 pm
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oneal lane wrote:
To the degree I can determine, given the spottiness of news stories, the matter all comes down to, in this case, the "meaning" of the word "finished" The wood in question is not illegal to harvest or sell, but must be sold/exported in a "finished" state.


The issue with the wood is clearly explained in the government's search warrant which you can find here:

http://ftpcontent.worldnow.com/wtvf/PDF ... idavit.pdf

India does not allow the export of wood that is classified HS Code 4407 which is "Wood sawn or chipped lengthwise, sliced or peeled whether or not planed, sanded, or end jointed, or a thickness exceeding 6mm."

HS 4408 is the classification for sheets of wood less than 6mm thick. India allows HS 4408 woods to be exported.

Gibson's wood was labeled as 4408 for export purposes when it was actually 4407. In addition, the wood was further mislabeled for import purposes into the US.

The wood does not have to be "finished" per se, nor would necks have to be made in India to be legal. The wood simply has to be less than 6mm thick.


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