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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:17 pm
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Maybe they were so lame, I thought they were rhythm parts or repetitive song riffs...


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No where did I say simple was bad. There's always a place for a simple, well written song. But every rock song doesn't have to and shouldn't have to fit into a radio/video friendly 4:30 seconds. The tree of rock has been pruned too much. Branches of genius and virtuosity are constantly being cut back because there isn't enought money in them. Can you imagine classical composers being limited to 4 mins? Jazz musicians being told no solos that extend the song beyond 5 mins? A band like Pink Floyd wouldn't even get a change today. When was the last successful concept album?

I just think rock should be allowed to grow like any other genre, experiment like it was once allowed to do in the 60's and 70's. I'm not insulting simple songs, I'm just lamenting that that's all there really is. That's the kind of attitude that will kill rock.

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Didn't David Gilmour's On An Island go to 1 on Billboard? Or was that only in the UK and/or Europe?

I want to believe that music is getting so commercially restricted that it's about time a musical revolution happened

Have anybody seen the 'We Will Rock You' musical?
to those who haven't(don't now if it's only paying in london), it's about the future where no non-programmed music is allowed. But the bohemians manage to find the tools of rock(the queen instruments) and perform the masterpiece we will rock you and frees the world :lol: Okay, it sounds a bit scary I admit


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I think that AOR is pretty much dead. And if most of what the record companies are putting out nowadays is an indication, so is creativity-or they're working on it....

Music needs another Beatles or Nirvana-but NOT a copy of The Beatles or Nirvana, but something to turn the present order of popular music on it's head. Otherwise guitar-driven music is going to wind up like vintage guitars-in a museum or collection, or end up there quickly.


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Evanecsence is Pretty Creative. If they had Al Pitrelli they'd be monsterous.

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George Harrison never took solos on recordings, he only played pre-arranged lines. That worked out pretty well. And nobody allows drum solos anymore. Jazz and blues are the last repositories of the soloist these days. I'm not sure if you could call those silly hyper scale freakouts metal guys do "solos".


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Maruuk wrote:
George Harrison never took solos on recordings, he only played pre-arranged lines. That worked out pretty well. And nobody allows drum solos anymore. Jazz and blues are the last repositories of the soloist these days. I'm not sure if you could call those silly hyper scale freakouts metal guys do "solos".


You left out the classical solo, which luckily still exsists. You're right about those scales at light speed. I don't consider sweep arpeggio's and tapping to be solo's, pertinent to the song. They're more like circus displays to wow the crowd. A part of the act. A solo should be a free form expression of the songs melody line.

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I don't consider sweep arpeggio's and tapping to be solo's, pertinent to the song. They're more like circus displays to wow the crowd. A part of the act.


ahhaha.... agreed..... it is entertaining though.... and music is a form of entertainment lol.... so it does fit! :)


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Maruuk wrote:
George Harrison never took solos on recordings, he only played pre-arranged lines. That worked out pretty well. And nobody allows drum solos anymore. Jazz and blues are the last repositories of the soloist these days. I'm not sure if you could call those silly hyper scale freakouts metal guys do "solos".


I always thought that George's solos in the early days of The Beatles (and I do count them as solos) were a bit halting, not very fluid or fluent, but they certainly got the job done-and are just about irreplaceable. I've heard the outtakes from The Beatles 'Anthology' collection, and he most certainly DID work on them, it wasn't just 'here you go' (the first takes of 'I'll Be Back' are a primer in flexibility); but if he did work them out beforehand, what's wrong with trying to get it right when you've got limited takes, limited punch ins or outs or whatnot?. Nobody does that anymore? Of course, he got much better later on.

Just show a 'accomplished' guitarist the Mickey Baker books, and unless they've used them, you'll likely have someone busy for a few weeks just learning them.


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Harrison is such an interesting case--he WAS a very stilted, stiff player. Couldn't play blues or jazz to save his life. But he had this amazing ability to focus and work out the perfect parts, even if it took him weeks to get it right. And those tones he got, wow! Very aggressive and creative distortions/overdrive way ahead of their time that always seemed exactly the right texture for the tune. That stuff is not easy. Especially given the ridiculous equipment of the time.


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Let's see--
1-Great song, no solo? Sure, sometimes
2-Lousy song, no solo? Why bother
3-Great song, lousy solo? Sure--as long as the solo's not too long
4-Lousy song, great solo? Too many of these, but sorry, not interested
5-Lousy song, lousy solo? What do you think?
6-Great song, great solo? The best combo.

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Nobody solos anymore??? Go see these guys...

Warren Haynes
Trey Anastasio
Derek Trucks
Chris Duarte
Jorma Kaukonen
Buddy Guy/Ric Hall
Luther Dickinson

...the extended solo is alive and well. This thread reminds me of the one that said the Blues were dying. Nonsense.

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With Ace Frehley's new solo album around the corner I for one will get his guitar solo-cravings well taken care of! YIPEE! :D :D :D

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The premise was most of the true soloing today is in blues and jazz. Most of those guys above are in those genres.

A grey area are trad guys like Brian Setzer and Jimmy Vaughn--yes, they're "soloing" but they're really just stringing elaborate stock riffs together not unlike the metal guys. SRV soloed. Clapton solos. John Mayer solos. Even Vince Gil solos.

A true solo has got to have a certain degree of freedom from cliche and riffs. I know exactly what stock riff Jimmy Vaughn is about to play next. I have no idea what notevBuddy Guy is about to play next.


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noley wrote:
Nobody solos anymore??? Go see these guys...

Warren Haynes
Trey Anastasio
Derek Trucks
Chris Duarte
Jorma Kaukonen
Buddy Guy/Ric Hall
Luther Dickinson

...the extended solo is alive and well. This thread reminds me of the one that said the Blues were dying. Nonsense.

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The non-guitar playing public are often turned off by extended solos. I have played in bands that play 6 songs a set with extended solos & bands that have played 12-14 songs, kind of a get in get out approach. The latter seem to keep the crowd around longer.


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