This topic needs a lock, rather than several more pages of this

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

Yes it really does, Nirvana is to confrontational to present for discussion. Old people hate me becuz they were against everything they stood for and they are scared of their actually being such thing as another John Lennon, and the fans cant agree on $@!& beause his humanity gets thrownn in the mix along with his musical ability. Lets just leave it that Nirvana was a great #$@*&!% band that kicked Rock N Rolls balls back into position and Kurt Cobain made brilliant tunes that still have the power to captivate and generate across time today.

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FOOD FIGHT!
And now that the Kurt Cobain signature model is out...

No need to get all worked up my friends.
Nothing is personal. Everything is equal, and in the end, irrelevant.

The OTHER makes YOU possible!

Cheers.

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FIGHT!

uhhh, no thats $@!&#* arse death metal local bands you are thinking of. tiger beams, red coats, bixby canyon, bass drum of death etc. its called indie rock, bands that have no aspirations of going mainstream, and you'd find that genuinlly alot of those bands are better than nirvana in alot of people's opinions

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riley

skirt so plain you really are out of your mind. firstly, i'm not trying to copy in any such way floyd the barber, i was on this forum before he was anyway. secondly, i have a nirvana song as my name purely to remind me that if it weren't for nirvana, i'd probably be dead, as i was having a extremely hard time battling post stroke epression and my spacticity, and they made me be me, not some kid whos mind is controlled by the media. saying that its 'punk' to like local acts is purely ignorant. i'm not trying to be 'punk', as far as i'm concerned punks were generally people with little knowledge who went around causing trouble. in my opinion, thats a pretty low life. i got into all the local acts purely cause i wanted to find some good music out there today, an i did, suprisingly good. so i dont really give a $@!& about how 'BaadazZ' they are, or how 'punk' it is to like them. you have got to get this through your mind.
about kurt being a bad guitar player, i thought for some time that he was good, but when i started getting into other bands i realized that he was actually pretty average. sure he knew his way around the neck, but he had no clue what he was doing. i found that out on my own, cause i can think ya know?

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riley

some really good point's made there indeed. and i'm sure music in general is the best way to get a mental illness under control, nirvana's music certainly worked for me. do i still like em? hell yeah. just not as much as i used to. end of story
an i do apoligize if anyone feels like i contribued to the arguement. i just wanted to clear things up with skirt so plain, thats all

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riley

If you want musical talent in grunge, look to Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains.

Nirvana were an important catalyst in the grunge scene, but the year Nevermind was released was also the year that PJ's Ten and SG's Badmotorfinger were released. Ten overtook Nevermind by 1992 in sales. You also have that lot bookended by AIC's Facelift & Dirt...

I respect Nirvana and like a lot of their stuff, but to me they're not the best grunge band by a long way.

He was very pretty though.

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"Without music, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines and dates by which bills must be paid."

Not having a large amount of technical ability doesn't necessarily make someone a bad guitarist. As far as "lousy" good guitarists:

Elmore James--He wrote the same song (same music, different lyrics) four thousand times, and then wrote "The Sky Is Crying." He rarely if ever played in the pocket or in time, and he was awesome.

Jimmy Reed--again, wrote the same song four thousand times...and it sounded good every time.

Hound Dog Taylor--Theodore Roosevelt Taylor once said, "When I die, they gonna say, 'He couldn't play worth a $#!^, but it sure sounded good!'" Out of tune, out of time, crappy Teisco Del Rey through a crappy Sears Silvertone amp, unintelligible lyrics (especially live)...and it was bloody fantanstic...he's one of my favorite guitarists ever, and he can't play worth a crap. When you play his songs "correctly," they generally sound bad.

Luther Perkins--the original guitarist for the Tennessee Two (Johnny Cash's band). He played the same rhythm and solo on 90% of the songs he played. Someone asked him why he played the same thing over and over, and he said (and I'm paraphrasing), "All those other guys who play all that different stuff are just trying to find what I've already figured out..."

Speaking of Johnny Cash--He played the same thing over and over as well. He basically spoke instead of sang.

Every punk guitarist ever. Snotty attitude, snotty tone and three chords...and it's killer!

Eric Clapton was rejected by The Band when he half-heartedly asked to join; they knew he was better than them, but they weren't sure (at the time) that he could buckle down and play the stark, plain songs they were writing (he was in Cream at the time). Listening to their music was part of the reason he left Cream, joined Bonnie and Delaney and later formed Derek and the Dominoes...because he knew the "simpler" songs were better, on some level...so a guy was rejected because he was too good?

All of the players mentioned did the same thing, though--they played what the song needed...they played to the song. They couldn't play a killer, shredding forty-minute solo...but they played what made the song sound good.

So one does not have to be a techinically good guitarist to be a great guitar player...just play to the song...I think that was Cobain's strength as a guitarist, playing to the song and setting the mood.

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I never understood the Nirvana thing. I was in Highschool when they were big and I was big into music but never really liked them.

Then again, I'm not a mainstream kinda guy.

I guess you have to respect what they have done for music even if you don't dig it.

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i could care less about nirvana or cobain. just not my style i guess. who the hell am i to say the guy sucked as a musician? i just choose not to listen to nirvana. having said that, i own everything the foo fighters have ever done. wierd.
like him or not, cobain wrote very influential music. it just never influenced me at all.

waited until it looked like a dead thread before my post here because a lot of members have things to say about this band that are too personal which makes it impossible to comprehend. I have thought about it and am back-tracking a bit from previous posts of mine about this band. Nirvana is the catalyst that opened the door for AIC, SG. PJ, and any of the other bands lumped into the genre, at least for me it worked that way. Nirvana's first chart topper inspired me to listen to all of those other bands when I was still listening to music decades older because I couldn't bring myself to try any newer recordings, mourning the death of music because hair bands were making it difficult at best. So, thank you Nirvana and especially the drummer of that band, for his project "Foo Fighters" proved to the world, like it or not, that Nirvana had more musical talent than any of the bands that were around at the time including "water pistols and plastic posies". The proof is that although a tortured soul, Kurt shot himself thinking it would make things better for every one if he was gone and Axl shot every one else because he mistakenly thought he was the cough cough best. IMHO YMMV.

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you can save the world with your guitar one love song at a time it's just better, more fun, easier with a fender solid body electric guitar or electric bass guitar.