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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:12 am
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Trying to play nice, huh? (Me too!) :lol:

Did you catch the quotes by Bob Dylan, Chuck Berry, and Noel Gallagher in Negative Creep's post? Those are some pretty high compliments from artist that have no need to throw false praise at anyone. :D


true those are pretty high compliments especially from noel who says things like they are with all the swearing and everything


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lol SLTS is on VH1 CLASSIC right now :mrgreen:


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I like Nirvana, but Cobain is no Goku.

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I like Nirvana, but Cobain is no Goku.


I'm sure I can find at least one instance of him going super saiyan.

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How many times does Nirvana have to be mentioned on here? Kurt Kobain was nothing more than a glorified junkie who whined and cried about the chances that he was given in life. If he couldn't handle the fame, he should've left the business and divorced that leech of a wife who was obviously using him just for his money. I have no respect for anyone who referred to Leo Fender as "that dead guy".


jeffo i get what you're saying i saw the interview (i had no knowledge of this one) i agree he shouldn't have treated leo fender that way my guess is that he was being ironic as he normally was or he was joking around or he could be saying the truth.. if he was saying the truth it hurts me to say we are all entitled to our opinion (to me and everyone here i guess leo fender was a genius and kurt had no right to mock him) now i believe he was joking cause honestly why would he have been endorsed by fender if he really thought that way? and why would his two favourite guitars be the jaguar and the mustang?

now like i said we're all entitled to our opinion you expressed yours now other people respect nirvana and this topic is to honor them so please bear with the comments on nirvana because there will be more and remember kurt was still a fender player despite everything...


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Post subject: Re: NIRVANA
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:58 pm
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If you think Kurt Cobain was not a good guitar player and a great musician, or if you cannot at least respect what he did as a songwriter.

Finally, replying to an earlier, similar but different post, if you think you "sound like" Cobain while also thinking "he just played noise for his solos," then I promise you that you don't sound like Cobain. He wasn't trying to be an 80s shredder. He killed that, and Michael Jackson. I promise you that you cannot play the In Bloom solo, or any of his other amazing solos such as in Sappy, School, Serve the Servants, etc. Even simpler ones like in Come as You Are. Sure, you can approximate it. It's easy to remember which 4 power chords comprise his songs, but to play it with the little subtleties, the "touch," and sound like him, is a whole 'nother ballgame, brother. It is not "easy" to play Nirvana songs.

By the way, I too am a nobody who nobody will ever know of based on my guitar playing, but I'm smart enough to know that Kurt Cobain did not suck at playing guitar.


wow you got a good point here with the whole in bloom solo situation... kurt was unique the solo for in bloom is something that no one will probably ever get right cause he was that way with his guitars... kurt is a smart guitarrist cause he knew what he was doing with the instrument (and he did it in a way only he could) whether people think he had tecnique or not... thanks man you really opened my eyes with this point :)


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i respect them alot for potentially saving my life, and making me be me. i still listen to them occasionally but theres a countless better bands out there. Cobain was a $@!&#* guitar player, but he was a good vocalist (that can be argued). really the only talent the band had were the lyrics. even though he says he didn't put that much thought into them, i reckon he was a really talented poet, when he was being serious anyway. that and the fact they put atleast some soul into there playing.
they got me into other bands, which got me into other bands, which got me into other bands, and it goes on and on. almost every band i listen to now (alot....), one way or another i found them through nirvana. heck, i listen to local bands with a fanbase of 10 cause of them :lol:


The local bands with 10 followers are usually terrible. Screaming noise. Trust me, when you get to be in your mid to late 30s, you will relisten to Nirvana's entire catalogue, really hear it for the first time, and gain a new appreciation. I'm not kidding. Trust me. You'll remember this comment from an anonymous web poster when it hits you.


So I see you still haven't learned what an opinion is. They don't usually suck, actually, and success has absolutely nothing to do with quality, so just stop all this "NIRVANA WER TEH BEZT CUZ DEY B1G" bulls*** already.

Kurt was a great songwriter, and a great vocalist (debatable, very subjective), but as far as ANY form of technique goes, he was an absolutely f***ing terrible guitarist. He knew literally nothing about the instrument and how to play it, often requiring other musicians who actually knew what they were doing to show him scales and such.

Just stop acting like your OPINION is the goddamn law already, because it's not. At all. You don't seem to understand that music is 100% subjective and varies IMMENSELY from person to person. What you find to be the greatest f***ing thing since sliced bread, the next guy may think is absolute trash. Just stop defending something that isn't being attacked.

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If you think Kurt Cobain was not a good guitar player and a great musician, or if you cannot at least respect what he did as a songwriter, it goes without saying that nobody has ever heard of you, and nobody ever will--at least not related to your abilities as a guitar player or musician. You're a nobody in the world of music. This is an incontrovertible fact, because every single music great who heard Cobain (from Clapton to Townsend to all of Kurt's contemporaries, such as Flea and the other guys in RHCP, etc etc etc) thought he was great and he had "it." If you think Cobain sucked, therefore, we have never heard of you.

Further, speaking simply about songwriting and musical abilities, Cobain was close to Lennon status.

Finally, replying to an earlier, similar but different post, if you think you "sound like" Cobain while also thinking "he just played noise for his solos," then I promise you that you don't sound like Cobain. He wasn't trying to be an 80s shredder. He killed that, and Michael Jackson. I promise you that you [b]cannot play the In Bloom solo, or any of his other amazing solos such as in Sappy, School, Serve the Servants, etc. Even simpler ones like in Come as You Are. [/b] Sure, you can approximate it. It's easy to remember which 4 power chords comprise his songs, but to play it with the little subtleties, the "touch," and sound like him, is a whole 'nother ballgame, brother. It is not "easy" to play Nirvana songs. It's easy to play them badly, perhaps, but not easy to play it like Kurt (and Dave and Krist) played it.

As many famous musicians (like Townshend, etc) observed, as pointed out above by others, Cobain had "touch." He was in total control of the guitar (when he wasn't wasted or messing around on purpose).

As Dave Grohl said, "Every single time Kurt picked up a guitar, it was magic. Every single time."

On youtube, there are approximately 80 "full length entire Nirvana concerts" that have been uploaded by somebody. Nirvana mattered and matters. Identify for me another band with even one full concert upload, please. I wish it were there, but it's not. I like the Black Keys. Unfortunately the only full concert of theirs I can see is the one that is commercially for sale by them currently.

And OP, you are a little late to this party, no doubt irritating many here, but folks, there will continue to be Nirvana talk as long as you are alive, just like there will continue to be talk about the Beatles.

By the way, I too am a nobody who nobody will ever know of based on my guitar playing, but I'm smart enough to know that Kurt Cobain did not suck at playing guitar.
It was a well known fact, even by the man himself, that he sucked at guitar. Were talking about a man whod been playing for over 11 years when Nevermind broke it big, it takes 10 years to master something, and Kurt stated he played about 3 hrs a day, so for his experience, he was terrible, he knew just enough to write good songs with. His solos in the studio and live were completly different, just as Hendrix or Clapton or whoever, but the difference is he didnt even attempt to follow a pattern or any form of music stability whats so ever, he just cranked the sansamp and moshed around. It took him around 20 tries to get the SLTS solo down in the studio, and he struggled and practiced hard to get it right for a live performance, but still lagged in the end. No doubt he was a great songwriter, but a bad guitarist flat out

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Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:39 pm
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And you still act like your opinion is fact. It's NOT a fact that it's not possible to find those bands better, and I honestly don't give a damn how "punk" they are. Anyone who tries to be "punk" is pathetic and extremely irritating. But I'm not even going to bother arguing this further, since it's impossible to get you to understand what an opinion is.

Oh, and quit referring to me as child. Age is entirely irrelevant to anything that has been said in this topic.

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It's funny how you get so unbelievably bent out of shape when someone disagrees with you and go on multi-post rants attacking anyone whose opinion differs in even the slightest way.

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And you still act like your opinion is fact. It's NOT a fact that it's not possible to find those bands better, and I honestly don't give a damn how "punk" they are. Anyone who tries to be "punk" is pathetic and extremely irritating. But I'm not even going to bother arguing this further, since it's impossible to get you to understand what an opinion is.

Oh, and quit referring to me as child. Age is entirely irrelevant to anything that has been said in this topic.


I will repeat an incontrovertible fact, just to make you happy: if you think Kurt Cobain was not a good guitar player or at least an important one, nobody has ever heard of you, and nobody ever will, at least not for musical reasons. No musician who anyone has ever heard of holds such an opinion.



The fact that you resort, constantly, to shouting and curse words makes your childishness relevant, kid.


That's more or less out of habit, carrying over from other internet forums where trolls run rampant, talking to friends, etc.. I talk like that for no particular reason, and I asure you shouting is the last thing I'm looking to imply. Nice try though.

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And yes, it is a fact, not opinion, that it is not possible to think that Melvins or Rapeman are better bands than Nirvana was.


Never stated your opinions as fact, huh? Well if that's the case, then I'd certainly love to see your explanation for this little nugget of fanboyism.

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It's funny how you get so unbelievably bent out of shape when someone disagrees with you and go on multi-post rants attacking anyone whose opinion differs in even the slightest way.


Why did you remove Rapeman from your list of favorite bands?


Either I did that a while ago or forgot to add them when I changed my sig.

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If you think Kurt Cobain was not a good guitar player and a great musician, or if you cannot at least respect what he did as a songwriter, it goes without saying that nobody has ever heard of you, and nobody ever will--at least not related to your abilities as a guitar player or musician. You're a nobody in the world of music. This is an incontrovertible fact, because every single music great who heard Cobain (from Clapton to Townsend to all of Kurt's contemporaries, such as Flea and the other guys in RHCP, etc etc etc) thought he was great and he had "it." If you think Cobain sucked, therefore, we have never heard of you.

Further, speaking simply about songwriting and musical abilities, Cobain was close to Lennon status.

Finally, replying to an earlier, similar but different post, if you think you "sound like" Cobain while also thinking "he just played noise for his solos," then I promise you that you don't sound like Cobain. He wasn't trying to be an 80s shredder. He killed that, and Michael Jackson. I promise you that you [b]cannot play the In Bloom solo, or any of his other amazing solos such as in Sappy, School, Serve the Servants, etc. Even simpler ones like in Come as You Are. [/b] Sure, you can approximate it. It's easy to remember which 4 power chords comprise his songs, but to play it with the little subtleties, the "touch," and sound like him, is a whole 'nother ballgame, brother. It is not "easy" to play Nirvana songs. It's easy to play them badly, perhaps, but not easy to play it like Kurt (and Dave and Krist) played it.

As many famous musicians (like Townshend, etc) observed, as pointed out above by others, Cobain had "touch." He was in total control of the guitar (when he wasn't wasted or messing around on purpose).

As Dave Grohl said, "Every single time Kurt picked up a guitar, it was magic. Every single time."

On youtube, there are approximately 80 "full length entire Nirvana concerts" that have been uploaded by somebody. Nirvana mattered and matters. Identify for me another band with even one full concert upload, please. I wish it were there, but it's not. I like the Black Keys. Unfortunately the only full concert of theirs I can see is the one that is commercially for sale by them currently.

And OP, you are a little late to this party, no doubt irritating many here, but folks, there will continue to be Nirvana talk as long as you are alive, just like there will continue to be talk about the Beatles.

By the way, I too am a nobody who nobody will ever know of based on my guitar playing, but I'm smart enough to know that Kurt Cobain did not suck at playing guitar.
It was a well known fact, even by the man himself, that he sucked at guitar. Were talking about a man whod been playing for over 11 years when Nevermind broke it big, it takes 10 years to master something, and Kurt stated he played about 3 hrs a day, so for his experience, he was terrible, he knew just enough to write good songs with. His solos in the studio and live were completly different, just as Hendrix or Clapton or whoever, but the difference is he didnt even attempt to follow a pattern or any form of music stability whats so ever, he just cranked the sansamp and moshed around. It took him around 20 tries to get the SLTS solo down in the studio, and he struggled and practiced hard to get it right for a live performance, but still lagged in the end. No doubt he was a great songwriter, but a bad guitarist flat out


Dude, why do you have your username and that video as your signature? You’re constantly bashing Cobain. You don't get it. Read stratobobster's comment. He nailed it. Cobain was a gentle soul who was very self-deprecating, and funny. He also asked continental European (France, Italy) crowds to not clap (in their cheesy manner) during Polly type songs because “we are horrible musicians and it throws off our timing.”

Cobain did not “suck” at guitar. He was not Hendrix or Clapton, but he did not “suck.” Look at his *relevance*. We’re still talking about him.

By the way, as I have said repeatedly on this forum, unlike ralphcaeto (and peace brother), Cobain is NOT my idol or hero. I’m a lawyer and a father of 2 beautiful daughters—a normal nerd who has a normal life. I just like Cobain’s songs.

But anyway, he did not suck at guitar. His guitar moved people.
I love Nirvana, i know everything about anything under the keywords "Kurt" or "Cobain" but honestly he was a bad guitarist, im looking at it from a musician stand point, the guy was a freakin beautiful being, but all he wanted was to get $@!&*% up and escape life. As a fan, a real fan,one must step back at one point and say "This guy was $@!&*% up" He made beautiful music, and he used the guitar in just the right way to do that, doesnt make him a good guitarist, makes him a Bob Dylan.

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It's funny how you get so unbelievably bent out of shape when someone disagrees with you and go on multi-post rants attacking anyone whose opinion differs in even the slightest way.


It's funny that the 2 kids with Nirvana song titles as their names attack the 2 or 3 other people here who like Nirvana and are generally in agreement with most of your opinions. It's just that you are punk and have to pretend to think that Rapeman is a good band. That irritates me, I'll admit it.
Funny how a grown man sits on the internet and takes it upon himself to actually think of witty responses to combat attacks on his rather pathetic assault on differential opinions, especially by insulting intelligence levels. Kinda hypocrtical I must say. Oh and presenting one's age as a form of superiority is kinda sad I must say, seeing as how it'll be us who determine your future. Here's a name drop: Pension Benefits

Sorry to everyone else, this is getting pathetically personal so ill drop out of this, whateves!

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