Not too long ago a whole nation fell victim to a small but powerful group of people that promised them that they could make the world better. They used propaganda machines and spread hateful messages about those they did not like. The poor citizens of this nation were all to eager to take the bait from this small but effective hate machine. Now.....most of the world remembers this time with utter disgust. Others, like Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Fox news, The wall street journal seem to have forgoteen the sad sad results of propagenda spreading. That or they just don't care....this is why you are in for 4 more years of Obama. People are starting to get tired of this rediculous nonsense coming from these terrible people. Thats good for Fox News because they will have 4 more years of hate mongering to dish out to an all too willing (dwindling) crowd to listen.
You may respond to this any way you seem fit. But when you do please keep in mind: I am a combat vet. , I own firearms and a company that hand crafts stocks for rifles (I am for gun control), I do not vote Dem. or Rep. I vote for the person who I feel will do the job. I voted Obama because I know John Mcain and the guy is just an out and out liar and we'd be in real trouble if he had gotten his way. I live at the border of Mexico and see every day what most of the country only hears about and I still think Border Patrol are a bunch of lazy slobs and are the biggest part of our border problem.
Fox, and publishers like the wall street journal are the worst and best examples of why this country is so angrily devided. People would rather believe half truths and downright propaganda than learn whats really going on. Once again...I refer you to that group that took a whole nation with these kinds of hateful lies. For some...its easier to just be angry than to just work together. When you bring reliable sources rather than propaganda machines to your conversations...people may just start listening. Until then....its all just riff raff and your arguements hold no weight.

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Oh......and I can see into Mexico from my backyard.

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That's cool Mark William, your post is very thoughtful. I just tried to give samples from several varied sources as examples, there are many, many more. And, occasionally they all screw up and get one right.

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Sorry Shimmilou but I don't see anywhere in those links where Obama referred to veterans as terrorists. I did notice that in the first link the FBI investigation actually began when Bush was in office and the report referred to in the second link was from the DHS, is the President responsible for reports created and distributed by the DHS or any other government agency?

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The agenda of any particular Pres is pushed by the various illegally created agencies made responsible for this purpose. I guess that it could be argued that these agencies were created "legally", but in that case, under false pretenses (war on drugs, war on poverty, most other "wars" etc). Bush was merely the person in office who fulfilled his master's will as he was put there to do, part of which was to help create this BS "Homeland Security" department. These agencies aren't just a bunch of uncontrolled rogues, they are directed, specifically and with purpose. Each Pres builds on the foundations laid by his predecessors, all have the same global aspirations.

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I understand but all of those sources are coming from the same place. Their information is coming brom the same base. And as in anything, you can make anything into what you want it to be if you got the right people doing it for you. And there is are always people who will isten and exaserbate it. All these stories do is make people hate more passionately. They do nothing more than that. And don't kid yourself...Fox, the NRA, The Wall Street journal all know this. They feed off of it because it helps their ratings.

Here is an example of how it has already worked in the United States: When Obam was running for prez. Fox, and the NRA got together and made up stories of his outragious new secret gun control laws. Even though the guy said that guns were not on his agenda at all. They still just had to muster up the hate machine. So they started with the rumor that he was going to make all ammo unaffordable. He was going to pass a law that made all of the ammo factories put microchips in their powder and all of the guns would have their barrels marked and registered so the governmant would know where every bullet fired would come from. Now I heard these stories from people I knew...and even on Fox. They then went on to say how he was going to try and disarm this country. There were a few more rumors but you get the jist of it. NOW!!! Every mother's son who was dumb enough to believe this rediculous stuff (and there were a lot of them) started stockpiling ammo and buying guns from where ever they could. It got to a point that I was on a 6 month wiating list to get ammo for my .22. and the price of them had doubled in just a few months. Gun sales went through the roof. As a result, prices skyrocketed on ammo and firearms. And why wouldn't they. The gun manufacturers aren't stupid. There is a lot of money to be made from paranoia. Yet again...when all these price hikes and shortages started, Obama got the blame. The guy still had kept his word and did not touch gun legislation yet Fox and the NRA blamed the shortage and high prices on him. All the while knowing it was the law of supply and demand and the gun manufacturers who were responsible for this. Even after the Gabrielle Giffords shooting there was no real legislation put out on the subject. And the gun nuts should be thankful for Obama because any other prez would have caved to the pressure and made some kind of laws. So basically....all of the propaganda surrounding this president and firearms started a chain of effects that ultimately will end with the Gun manufacturers looking like the heros when in all reality they fed off of their own customer's paranoia and used it to turn a pretty profit, all the while sluffing the blame for everything off on a guy who to this day has had nothing to do with it. Hmm...sound familiar?? Just like Fox, the NRA, and The Wall Street Journal tactics. So once again it is obvious that it is easier to be angry, believe anything that is put in front of you, and give your intelect away to the highest bidder. Propaganda hurts everyone no matter how slight it may be.
I voted for Obama because I knew the alternative. 4 more years of a George Bush Washington via John McCain was out of the question for me. If anyone comes up with a better alternative to Obama...I'll vote for em. Dem. or Rep. I don't care. But as of yet the Republicans have put up no one who even comes close to him. Even after all of the most powerfull republican and Tea Party politicians swore publicly that they would not let Obama pass any legislation (even at the expense of the American people), the guy has passed 75% of his agenda through Washington. Wether you like his policies or not. The guy is getting it done. And personally...I like some of his policies.
Now when I hear a congressman say that he or she will do anything in their power to halt legislation no matter what it is or if they agree with it or not. That tells me that many of these Republicans care only about thier agenda and not the welfare of Americans. And I have heard many of them say this McCain being one of them. Why would I vote that mentality into the oval office? Hey...screw the American people...I'm the prez now. Makes no sense to me.

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Its called standing up for you values. If you were elected because you have a certian set of values you had better stand up for them or get out of the way.

LOL...you don't watch the news do you. EVEN IF WE AGREE WE WILL NOT PASS ANY LEGISLATION. That's not standing up for anything but yourself. And you did not address the rest of my post. Looks like you are one of the pigions that fall into the propaganda machine. Like argueing with a drunk.
I'm done with the conversation.

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Apparently you are unaware of the actual attempts to do the very things that you claim are made up. The gun control agenda is not new, it is from the UN masters of deception and has been around since Reagan and before. Ammo was indeed targeted, to be deemed an "unsafe product", in order to outlaw it. Also, guns are indeed being "fingerprinted" as we speak. Just check out some new Smith and Wesson models to see this, I know a guy that has one. It is also plain to see the constant attempts to control guns. The gun control crowd has learned very well how to fool people, one example being that the organization called "Gun Control Incorporated" changed their name to "Americans for Gun Safety", and so far it has fooled many people into thinking as they are told. The misnomer of the "Assault Rifle" seems to work well for fooling even more people. You can learn alot from a dummy.

Seems like the BS in the main-stream media is very effective at keeping many of us divided. I suppose that the ACLJ is a bad group just because they appear on Fox? Breathe deep the gathering gloom.

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Once again...propaganda and arguing with drunks...nothing sensable makes sense....I reiterate...done. Just have fun because you got 4 more years of Obama. LOL so I guess I got the last laugh.

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That's alright Mark William, we both said our piece. If I'm not mistaken though, the Election is upcoming and I already know that I will vote for Ron Paul or similar candidate before I even hear about the "big two". I rarely drink BTW, but I would have a Heineken if you're buying.

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MW for not being a rep or a dem you sure sound like a liberal / Progressive. Which is fine with me. Resulting to name calling kinda weakins your point. This is the kinda thing I would expect from a drunk in a Bar. But have a nice day.

Blame for this event may be laid squarely at the feet of Pima County sheriff Clarence "Can't Keep My Dumbass Mouth Shut" Dupe-nik, who had ample justification and multiple opportunities to arrest the suspect prior to January.

As for the barely comatose Ms Giffords, she should be sent back to Houston (from whence she came) on a salad plate, accompanied by a bowlful of Hidden Valley Ranch Dressing.

Arjay

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