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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:29 am
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+ foreign aid ?????

Hi Rip: there's a lot of myth around this subject - we all tend to believe we're more generous than we really are. So let's have some stats.

There is a time lag in calculating these things and the most recent data I can find in simple graphic form are for 2006, though raw data are available up to 2010. These graphs are still representative of how things stand four years later.

Two ways of looking at it. Absolute amounts, and as a percentage of income:

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In absolute terms the USA gave the most aid, $22.74b, followed by the UK at $12.61b.

However, as a percentage of income (Gross National Income - GNI) the Scandinavian and BeNeLux countries were the most generous, as you'd expect; with the US near the bottom above Greece.

In the UK we regard ourselves as pretty generous - and we're not bad. Though it is interesting to see that little Ireland next door was more generous in 2006, as a percentage of income. That has shifted since the recession: worth noting that whereas some countries have cut back their aid spending recently our government has ringfenced ODA and continued to raise it in real terms. I like us for that. US development aid has also increased during the recession.

Those stats are from this source, where up to date info is also to be found:

http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx

Latest aid performance:

http://www.oecd.org/document/22/0,3343, ... _1,00.html

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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:06 am
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Foreign aid is difficult to calculate because much of it is folded into other programs and initiatives to conceal both the amount(s) and the recipient(s). In 1988 the "official" figure was about $38B, with a little over half of that going to Israel. However, a number of other "off the books" grants that year totaled roughly $47B. These giveaways fell under the purview of agencies as diverse as the FDA, NIH, CDC, Departments of Education, Commerce, and Labor, and the IMF. Thus, we may never know the extent to which US taxpayers lined the pockets of the world's banana-republic tyrants and pisspot dictators in order to further the nebulous-and-parochial interests of the nation's bureaucrats.

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Yeah a sort of I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine aid which cant really be described as aid, more do as we say and get the prize, I read the other day about some of those you mentioned Arjay buying up luxurious properties in Paris, London etc being investigated as to why when receiving foreign aid they and their families live a life of luxury.


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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:25 am
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Yeah a sort of I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine aid which cant really be described as aid, more do as we say and get the prize, I read the other day about some of those you mentioned Arjay buying up luxurious properties in Paris, London etc being investigated as to why when receiving foreign aid they and their families live a life of luxury.


Ayup.

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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:39 am
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Ceri wrote:
Hi Rip: there's a lot of myth around this subject
Though it is interesting to see that little Ireland next door was more generous in 2006, as a percentage of income.
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Is it any wonder they went bust think they were running the Country as though they had found the pot at the end of the rainbow, maybe Greece was their main recipient :roll:

Interesting that Poland & Hungary on the up in the aid stakes as I took it countries in that region emptied as soon as the barriers dropped I think membership of the EU allows even further massaging of the books.
Then there are other recipients of our "wealth" with their own Nuclear and space programs still by recent account receiving aid, while daily reports on the tv of imminant famine and drought in Africa and the agencies trying to avoid it having to hold the begging bowl out while the banksters sleep on silk maybe Jesus or Sir Bob should once more enter the marketplace " are you ready to rummble" I'd fork out for that pay per veiw

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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:45 am
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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:49 am
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ripitup555 wrote:
Yeah a sort of I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine aid which cant really be described as aid, more do as we say and get the prize, I read the other day about some of those you mentioned Arjay buying up luxurious properties in Paris, London etc being investigated as to why when receiving foreign aid they and their families live a life of luxury.


Ayup.

The entire world may soon be dining on excrement sandwiches but not these clowns.

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Still be regarded as part of our five a day though, right? :lol:


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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:51 am
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I dunno about that.

I always thought that the three major food groups were salt, sugar, and preservatives.

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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:05 am
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isn't it interesting what has happened in the last 15 years, with respect to the introduction of the Euro and the boom in China and India- what influence they collectively all have had on the $USD?

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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:10 am
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Mmmm preservatives, worked a treat for me, never done me any harm you know I can still at a pinch squeeze into my 32" waist Levi's it's walking around in them that hurts, kids today are so lucky eh


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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:05 am
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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 7:48 am
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cvilleira wrote:
Many don't realize the Government pays almost the same amount of money on Healthcare as it does on Defense and on top of that Government employee pensions is just a little behind as the third costliest program. Welfare is the forth at about 60% of the Defense cost followed by interest cost on the debt at number five. Nothing else comes close to these budgets.

1. Defense
2. Healthcare (For now but thats about to change, Who knows where the money is going to come from?
3. Pensions ( For our hard working Government employees including Congress!)
4. Welfare
5.Debt interest
6. Education ( Been a Failure)
7. Transportation
8. Protection ( Police,Fire, Courts, Prisons)
9. General Government (Legislative and Executive cost + general services)
10. All other less then 3%

+ foreign aid ?????

Foreign aid is next to nothing comparatively. Defense and Healthcare are almost 1 Trillion a year and when Obama Care kicks in it will be the biggest expense we have with projection of it being 1 1/2 the cost of Defense. Obama Care has no money current available in a budget. As of this past December Obama has signed 100's of Waivers to Companies and Unions not requiring them to meet the current mandates because the said they could not afford them with out cutting employee wages or staff size.
Funny thing is some of the companies are insurance companies such as Aetna, Cigna, Health and welfare Benefit Sys. Inc along with places like McDonalds the Federal teachers Union just to name just a few.
No one has the money for it and when forced on them they will most likely drop their coverages eventually moving the majority of Americans into the Government run Obama care because it will be cheaper for large companies to pay penalties.

This has been the plan all along is what is being talked about in discussion groups and political science class. Make it costly and run Insurance companies out of the competitive Healthcare business and move all into a single payer system. A few of the larger insurance companies are already lining them selfs up to be working for the federal government as administrators (contractors ) of federal healthcare system.

Either way you the tax payer are about to be fleeced because someone has to pay for it.

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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:00 am
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Being self employed, I'm already being fleeced by healthcare and taxes. My health insurance costs are staggering considering I never use it. The price doesn't go down because I'm healthy. It would be nice if it worked like car insurance. I'm basically paying for people who don't have insurance, people who don't take care of themselves, Immigrants, people who sue their doctors and hospitals and hypochondriacs. Healthcare itself is a ripoff industry. Surgeons are nothing but salesmen pure and simple. :x

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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:46 am
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One thing seriously overdue is making former and current members of all branches of the US Government use the same health care and retirement system the force upon everyone else instead of their own exclusive club.


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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:48 am
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I find it amusing that the " Immigrants " is part of the problem. By that definition, it includes each and every person residing in the U.S. if one follows (hysterical) historical genealogy.
So since we have come to a consensus we could perhaps move further afield... :?:

Obama Care....I love it...it's a description so far off the mark as to be comical if it wasn't actually highlighting a seriously aggravating self induced cultural phenomenon.
Fact.. the average population in the US is the un-healthiest population when compared to other western nations. Obesity is so prevalent that it is seen as the norm rather than the exception.
I personally don't understand how the debate is framed when it consistently omits the 500 pound gorilla in the corner. That is the one that as part and parcel of health-care one of the main criteria's should be the requirement to be healthy, as in proper nutrition and excercise which would reverse the symptoms in most of the cases. But " No ".... no one seems to want to take personal responsibility for their own health.

I actually believe health care is a necessity in a modern affluent country, especially one as rich as this country. Sorry guy's and gals, but there are people who fall thru the cracks, wether it's because of their own negligence or because of bad timing is irrelevant. A little compassion would really help. I do not envy anyone on the street, but rather would like to know that we are searching for applicable solutions so that when someone is destitute and in need of assistance, they are not discarded as yesterday's dirty diapers. It could very well be me or it could very well be you tomorrow... :shock:

So to those who vented about pointing the finger at who is the blame for our current malady,
it is rather simple.
Tomorrow morning, as you shave, comb, or apply the warpaint, the face staring back at you is the one person that can (has the potential ) to do the most. If you don't think positively so, then that face is part of the problem, if... on the other hand you think about what can I do today to set into motion a change in my life....Then guess what...? One voice is worth hearing... But a Thousand or Ten thousand voice's are worth paying attention to.

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Post subject: Re: 14.3 Trillion Debt Ceiling Default Blues
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:04 am
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Immigrants ARE part of the problem too. Immigrants today get far more benefits than my Grandparents ever did. Both legal and illegal. Health care, tax breaks, food, housing you name it.
A kid I worked with from Poland years ago, here legally, paid no income taxes and got help with an apartment nicer than I ever had at the time. His church sponsor hooked him up with a job at our company. This kid lived so cheaply that he only cashed one paycheck a month. He kept the bunch of un-cashed checks in his locker. :lol: Living large in the land of the free and the home of the brave. The land of milk and money.

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