Makeing me sick, religion, how many people have to die before they realize that the first and formost word of god is thow shalt not kill, and why do they always use religion as there instrument of permission, these people are fakes, there selling you a bill of garbage and claiming that there religious believes drove them to carry out these horriffic acts upon innocent people, why won,t the world put a stop to this.

Ceri: In response to your question...one might, in the absolute, with respect to all the faith based groups for which Jesus is the centerpiece of their philosophy. However, absent the lone wolves who are committing murder in the name of 'right to life', the Christian movement is not militarized in the same fashion as Islamic groups seem to be.

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Hi Doc: I suspect when they look at the West's giant military machines which have so often been pointed in their direction they might see it differently.

But what I was really thinking of is how in your country, mine and many others for the last ten years ordinary moderate Muslims have been endlessly required to publicly distance themselves from things done in the name of their religion by others, with no "ifs or buts". So I'm wondering whether Christians will now be lining up to do the same in the light of this fella's amazing killing spree done in the cause of a pure Christian society?

What's the likelihood...?

Cheers - C

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+1 and thanks. Couldn't have said it better.

If the lawyers were smart, they would convict him for each individual murder with a 21 year prison sentence for each death. I do not think he would get out ant time soon under those circumstances. Of course this is just my opinion and they have to carry out justice in accordance with their laws.

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I wasn't going to add anything more and here I am, SMT. The Norwegian government doesn't possess enough prison years to inflict anywhere near the amount of deserved punishment for this perp. Going back to roughly 1970, the Muslim governments in the countries that have spawned the murderers of tens of thousands of Christians and Jews and any innocent man woman and child in the vicinity of their crimes aren't holding any trials but are, my guess, encouraging more death to those who are not muslim. Call me crazy but I won't trust any Government without some explanations about all of this and that is all.

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Nonnig? are you out there?

Unfortunately, History is littered with Wars where "God is on our side!"

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Hi guys.

This is ulrikandthedominos, I posted occasionally here a few years ago but I'm not very good at following online communities and I've been so busy working on my bachelor degree that I eventually dropped out of here completely. Used to be the "other" Norwegian guy. Anyway, I just wanted to clarify one thing about the Norwegian legal system for future posters.

Our maximum single prison sentence is 21 years. As Snowjoe pointed out we have a system that allows the courts to review the sentence once it has been served and should they deem it necessary, extend the sentence by five years. This can in theory be done indefinitely, effectively creating a "life" sentence that is reviewed every five years. The extended sentence is only used on criminals that are considered a threat to society even after their completed sentence. I am fairly certain Breivik will be the first convict to serve an "actual" life sentence in Norwegian judicial history.

Furthermore, in case there's any confusion around this matter, AUF (the youth organization targeted by Breivik) is a democratic organization for young people who wish to engage in local and national politics, and is a sub-organization of the Norwegian Labour party. All the other major Norwegian political parties have similar organizations for youths who frequently engage in debates and help raise participation and awareness around elections. In other words, not at all like Hitler-jugend. Not a particularly classy comparison, Mr. Glenn Beck

As for me my family is safe, though sadly I've lost two wonderful, intelligent fellow students.

Thanks for all the prayers and support, it means a lot to us up here.

Ulrik.

EDIT: Ceri already explained the extended sentence.

Not likely. This mass murder and destruction by a sole individual can hardly be seen in the same light with Islamist paramilitary organizations attempting to seize control of the goverments of the nation states in which they operate, or wage guerilla warfare against foreign governments and peoples who ideologies are at variance from their own.

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If I may be allowed this one thought, the USA could destroy this plaque upon the earth so quick that if they crap, it would not reach the water in the bowl befor they were history, why do we let them, crap!
please do not be offended, but rather understand that this could be, and is an assualt on all people of north america and all people of peace everywhere, is it not the peoples right to quash this thing now, look at what it has done to north america and is now spreading to the most peaceful lands of the world.

Where do you suggest it begin? These are paramilitary actions against a sovereign state.
Remind yourself of The Weathermen and the bombings here in the states some 40 years ago.

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I guess you right! I don,t know were to begin, at home here in our own land first comes to mind, saveing our own families and brothers and sisters from these assholes of nature, then maybey we can show the world that there is a way to fight back, and destroy those whoes only goal is to create havec and harm on our people, if anything else we can show the world that it will not be tolerated here and won,t be tolerated there, in my opinion, and it,s only my opinion, which I,ve been told I have a right to, that this has gone on long enough, harm my family, I kill you, harm my friends, I kill you, harm my country and it,s poeple, I kill you, want to die? do one of the aformentioned and you will get you wish!! and every single north american should have the right to feel just this way, we didn,t start this, why should we suffer it. why should you and your family!suffer the indignity of this, already this has brought north america to a standstill, econemy sucks, people who work hard for there dollar and there families super table just a few short years ago, are battelin the shat wright now, try to make ends meet, this is not our north america, we are, always have been, and forever will be, the best of the best, and it,s time to be the best again, so many ways to have rath, I will leave the rest to you!

I thought this thread was about Norway? We were talking about a Norwegian psychopath going about Norway commiting acts of mass murder to Norwegian people. As far as I know, the murderer and the victims had no Islamic connections, so how?, or why?, as a particular religion been drawn into this. Those hard line, fundamentalist muslims must love people like us always giving them a stage.
And I don't know where the United States, or NATO, or the United Nations military machines come into play here either.
I think the Norwegians are capable of handling this themselves.

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We should not start to discuss his opinions. They will only spread like this and form new Memes - exactly what he wanted.

Just in short: he was afraid that there might be too many muslims coming to Europe, taking it over. He wanted to kill those people who he thought were supporting this: the liberal political parties.

But again: let's not (I repeat: NOT) discuss his motives as it will only give them power.


Cheers

David

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