Nirvana's Come as you are Live, Acoustic. I Think captures Cobain's true essence and talent. He was no doubt one of the all time greats. and has earned his place in the hall of fame.
----Danny,
http://youtu.be/9T0ySNQNE58

Kurt Cobain, his music, and his band are as significant to me as the size, shape, color, and consistency of my turds.

Arjay

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I know the anniversary thing will be a rip off, but I'm still buying it..... huh

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Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

Really......

If your intent was for a heated argument, stay tuned, I'm sure they'll be more colorful reposts.
As a discussion your point is valid, but unless you knew Cobain personally and/or Courtney Love, than I think the above statements should have been kept to yourself. They don't serve any purpose other than fanning the flames.
As far as Heroin, you might want to look into the medical aspects as heroin relates to addiction. By the way as human beings we all have the risk of addiction, that is just the way our brains are wired and every brain is different. Similar to fingerprints. NPR just did an interview report recently with a scientist/doctor,the topic being addiction.
Point is Heroin does not and is not something that you can try and walk away from, once experimented with. It immediately affects the brain negatively and permanently. Some people have left it behind, but at great cost and constant peril of returning to it's constant use.

That said, Nirvana has had an impact on the musical scene, the difficulty is assessing where reality ends and Myth and total Bollocks begin. Nirvana was rather short lived, what could have been had Cobain not been so destructive, we'll never know.
Genius is not a word I would describe Cobain as. Their songs were very catchy, nailed the timeline that they were in but in perspective, there were other band-members present and a band is the sum of it's parts, not just one person regardless of their own Napoleon Complex.

I still like some of their stuff but they are among'st a very deep catalog of equally talented bands. Timing is always key and that is not controllable.

BTW... I believe Cobain was diagnosed as Bipolar, so the Women waiting in the wings is irrelevant, I'm sure Courtney Love had more than a few moments of nightmarish episode in their relationships.
Cobain is dead, his memory lives on and it reflects poorly to bash them both especially if you have never known them on a personal basis.
Can we please stay on track with the music....

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Cobain is just another in a long line of artistic human beings that have been, and will continue to be called ensign,nutzzz,crazzzy,doper,Drugi,drunk. But the fact remains that the power of his creativity is global. I don't like most of his music but millions of others do. and I have a great respect for that. ROCK ON NIRVANA LOVERS.
----Danny,

Welcome to the bored Skirt So Plain. I really appreciate your effort to bring a meaningful discussion here. Your grasp of the human condition and the reality we all face is rare:

"Most of us have to work all day at a desk job. We have to fight to squeeze in 30 minutes or an hour of practice time a day."

Well, that's me right there. By the time I can practice there isn't much juice left of any kind, let alone creative juice.

Anyway, on to Kurt Cobain:

I think he and Nirvana saved rock and roll. Period. Some people here are too young to remember the horrible condition the rock scene had fallen on. Music took a back seat to eye liner, spandex pants, and shredding drizzle.

The greatness of Nirvana's music and Kurt Cobain put a dagger thru the heartless, soulless era of rock pretty much instantly. For me, Cobain's genius is to demonstrate that direction and relevance and relating to the world does not have to be technically complex.

My favorite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbgKEjNBHqM

The History of Rock Relevance Time Line:

Elvis
The Beatles
Hendrix
Nirvana

I think there is some really excellent music happening right now, but I haven't heard a game changer in a while. I hope I live to see the next phase. I also hope that when it happens, my ears and mind are open to realize I have witnessed a new era in music.

he's back......


agreed. the only reason i'm buying it is cause hopefully the DVD will be live and loud


+1

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I like the defensive tone of the original post. No replies had been made but the OP was already prepared for a $@!& storm of negativity. People say Nirvana made a huge impact on music, and they did. I blame Nirvana for helping people realize that to make money in music, talent doesn't matter. Anybody can whine and moan over the same three chords all day...never been impressed, never will be impressed.

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I'm also hoping for the Fecal Matter demo.... I want it in it's entirety and finally with any and all track name discrepancies sorted out..... Nobody seems to know what's what, what order the songs were in, or how many songs were even on it

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Favorite bands:

Melvins
The Jesus Lizard
Cows
Big Business
R***man
Minutemen
Flight
Minor Threat
Big Black
Shellac
Karp
Scratch Acid
Wipers
Pixies

very interesting and kind of cool, thanks Bro

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you can save the world with your guitar one love song at a time it's just better, more fun, easier with a fender solid body electric guitar or electric bass guitar.

Rock needed a good kick in the balls, all it took was a great riff, Smells Like Teen Spirit, like Johnny B. Goode, Purple Haze, and many others before it had done. It put alt rock into the mainstream, took the suburban metal, threw some pop Beatles, and added the spirit and simplicity of The Sex Pistols and other punk bands, and got lucky. Nirvana is an amazing band, probably the only band within the last 20 years to make an impact rivaling The Beatles. But really look at them for a good minute: a lazy no caring voice screamed to its height, out of tune guitars with crappy distortion and deep chorus, three to five chords and random TransAmp anti solo rants, amazing studio recording, amazing live shows, but heroin, self destruction, self pity, a hint of egotism, an off the wall wife, and a two year old he couldnt really handle at the time. But then again, he represented Generation X, laziness, unsureness, repetition. All I guess I'm saying is that their impact is unmistakable, they're greatness left marked, but like any artist they have their real $@!&#* moments. Nevermind as a complete album is definatley one of the top ten rock albums of all time. My 2 cents, I have more but it goes along the lines of Nirvana were great, Kurt was great, but they both had flaws, and ill probably get the album as a present or somethin random, ill end up with it.

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I'm not a fan of Nirvana in the sense that I own all their albums or anything like that. I didn't own "Nevermind" until last year (bought it at a garage sale), when I listened to it all the way through the first time ever. It had it's moments, but overall, I would rate it a 6.5 out of 10.

I was glad when it came out, because I was so sick of the soulless Hair Metal and Shred crap dominating guitar music at the time (neither of which I ever embraced, either).

In my opinion, musically they were like any other decent-to-good group that took the elements of their favorite groups and then created their own style (that's a compliment). I loved the emotion of their presentation (although I don't like it when people smash their guitar...unless they're playing a BC Rich, but I digress).

He had the ability to write catchy tunes that were hummable and were "ear worms" (i.e., they got stuck in your head). He was a killer riff-writer, and I love a good guitar riff.

Even though I am of the generation that should have embraced the Nirvana/grunge movement (I was 21 when "Nevermind" was released), I just didn't get into them until "Heart Shaped Box" and "All Apologies"...I don't know why, I just didn't. Even then, I wasn't a big fan, I just liked those two songs a lot.

I thought the Unplugged album was the best thing he ever did--raw, emotional and without the overpowering effects, his playing was showcased beautifully. The simplicity of his song structure was well-suited for that type of performance, and I wish he had recorded/performed more things like that.

Do I think he was the greatest player or singer or songwriter ever? No.
But in the words of Muddy Waters, "You don't have to be the best one, just be a good'un."

Many times I have expressed my disgust with his personality and self-loathing, and his drug use as well. Someone in this thread mentioned that he was perhaps bipolar; that diagnosis fits his life spiral. Bipolar Disorder is a selfish disease, because the person is willing to do anything to feel good--and most of the treatments that bring them back to earth make patients feel bad (thus, their reluctance to stay on their meds).

But I'm not so stupid to where I can't separate the (unlikable) man from the (good, on occasion borderline great) music.

RIP, Kurt.

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I like the last one. Actually quite a respectable cover of a Leadbelly tune. The other two...not so much.

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