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Post subject: Awesome SRV Concert Performance Surfaces
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:43 pm
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On the new Directv View On Demand service you can download this super rare SRV concert from Germany when Stevie was at the top of his game shortly before his death. I've never heard him this good, he's jaw dropping. The setting is amazing, on top of a cliff above this long lake with ancient castles above.

What's apparent here is that Stevie is so advanced and playing over his head that Double Trouble is left far, far behind. Unlike the musical sophistication and driving manic energy of Cream's and Jimi's rhythm sections who could follow wherever the Master led, DT comes off here as just some distracted and bored bar band having no relevance to the new worlds being forged by Stevie with each successive tune. It's really a shame, since with a couple of real players behind him, guys with some sense of jazz and advanced rhythms and harmonic structure, SRV's mastery would have been mounted in the proper energetic, uplifting setting.

As it is, Double Trouble appear completely lost and oblivious to who they're playing with. They look like a couple of guys in a generic blues pickup band who can't wait for the break to score some booze and babes.

But don't let that prevent you from checking out this stunning performance--Stevie makes up for his "drum machine" backing in spades. If you ain't heard this concert, you ain't heard nuthin yet.

BTW, what amps is SRV playing here? I see big black-grilled Fender bottoms, an unknown SF head and a couple of UFO combos with black grill cloth. But they're nothing I recognize--maybe they're Dumbles.


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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:40 pm
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If you go on You Tube and punch in SRV`s VooDoo Child, you`ll see his bass player standing there like he`s waiting for a bus. I`m not saying the guy plays bad, but its obvious he`s lost near the end of the song. Not everyone plays with their heart and soul into it like SRV did. As sad as it is that he`s no longer here, he left a legacy behind thats hard to duplicate.


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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:53 pm
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Double Trouble were buddies, hack players at the right place at the right time. SRV was loyal to his pals but let's face it, they're a crappy bar band playing with perhaps the most gifted blues guitarist ever. They had no idea or interest in what Stevie was doing on the other side of the stage. They just kept playing the same riffs over and over ad nauseum.

While Stevie was on a 5-year mission to go where no Man had ever gone before.


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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:18 pm
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Stevie Ray Vaughan's famous "King Tone Consoul" SSS was rated at 150W. It was a "clean", loud amp with no overdrive section. Standard model used 4 x 7025 high-mu twin triodes; 1 x 5751 high-mu twin triode; 4 x 6L6 power tubes and 12AX7 preamplifier tubes. Standard Dumble tonestack with optional tonefilter.

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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:37 pm
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Thanks, Mike! Is that the same for both the head and the two combos? Or are those 2 Dumble combos? Also did he continue to use the TS-9 for grind or did he try other stuff over the years?


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:15 pm
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If you go on You Tube and punch in SRV`s VooDoo Child, you`ll see his bass player standing there like he`s waiting for a bus. I`m not saying the guy plays bad, but its obvious he`s lost near the end of the song. Not everyone plays with their heart and soul into it like SRV did. As sad as it is that he`s no longer here, he left a legacy behind thats hard to duplicate.


Well, I also believe that Tommy Shannon was high out of his mind for that show. You could tell by the look on his face. Stevie looked a little out of it, too. The show is phenomenal, and I love the version of Little Wing that he does at the end.

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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:55 pm
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JPD wrote:
If you go on You Tube and punch in SRV`s VooDoo Child, you`ll see his bass player standing there like he`s waiting for a bus. I`m not saying the guy plays bad, but its obvious he`s lost near the end of the song. Not everyone plays with their heart and soul into it like SRV did. As sad as it is that he`s no longer here, he left a legacy behind thats hard to duplicate.


Well, I also believe that Tommy Shannon was high out of his mind for that show. You could tell by the look on his face. Stevie looked a little out of it, too. The show is phenomenal, and I love the version of Little Wing that he does at the end.


its to bad that little wing didnt make it to the dvd :(

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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:23 pm
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Maruuk wrote:
Double Trouble were buddies, hack players at the right place at the right time. SRV was loyal to his pals but let's face it, they're a crappy bar band playing with perhaps the most gifted blues guitarist ever. They had no idea or interest in what Stevie was doing on the other side of the stage. They just kept playing the same riffs over and over ad nauseum.

While Stevie was on a 5-year mission to go where no Man had ever gone before.

Tommy Shannon and Chris Layton are as far from Hacks as you can find. They're the best Two Man Rythym section in the Blues. Tommy Shannon had already recorded with Johnny Winter and been out of the Bar scene for years when he joined Double Trouble. Chris Laytons work on Couldn't Stand the Weather debunks your silly assertion. Geez, do you really think this or are you just trying to make SRV fans stew?

Compare Double Troube to the band he used for the Vaughn Brothers and there's no comarison. Double Trouble was alive, and just what Stevie needed.

Krimany!!! I forgot to mention Reese Wymans. Best Hamond B3 Organ Player this side of Billy Preston. Not to mention Jazz pianist to rival Vince Guiraldi.

Hacks, Indeed!! Honestly, Sometimes! :x

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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:12 pm
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I just found the Germany footage on Youtube. It's from 1984 (Ahem.....End of his career :lol: .....Ahem). It's par for pre-rehab SRV. Doesn't match up to The Live at The El Macambo or either Austin City Limits performance. The first in 1983, the second, towards the end of his career in 1989.

The abcence of Reese Wymans (let alone the stickers he was using for his pickguard initials) should have dated the footage. I would like to see the whole concert.

What I'd really like to see is the whole steam boat concert that Comit a Crime was taken from.

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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:15 am
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I just found the Germany footage on Youtube. It's from 1984 (Ahem.....End of his career :lol: .....Ahem). It's par for pre-rehab SRV. Doesn't match up to The Live at The El Macambo or either Austin City Limits performance. The first in 1983, the second, towards the end of his career in 1989.

The abcence of Reese Wymans (let alone the stickers he was using for his pickguard initials) should have dated the footage. I would like to see the whole concert.

What I'd really like to see is the whole steam boat concert that Comit a Crime was taken from.


If you have On Demand, you could probably see the whole show. And, I would also like to see the whole steam boat concert.

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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:22 am
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FirstMeasure wrote:
Maruuk wrote:
Double Trouble were buddies, hack players at the right place at the right time. SRV was loyal to his pals but let's face it, they're a crappy bar band playing with perhaps the most gifted blues guitarist ever. They had no idea or interest in what Stevie was doing on the other side of the stage. They just kept playing the same riffs over and over ad nauseum.

While Stevie was on a 5-year mission to go where no Man had ever gone before.

Tommy Shannon and Chris Layton are as far from Hacks as you can find. They're the best Two Man Rythym section in the Blues. Tommy Shannon had already recorded with Johnny Winter and been out of the Bar scene for years when he joined Double Trouble. Chris Laytons work on Couldn't Stand the Weather debunks your silly assertion. Geez, do you really think this or are you just trying to make SRV fans stew?

Compare Double Troube to the band he used for the Vaughn Brothers and there's no comarison. Double Trouble was alive, and just what Stevie needed.

Krimany!!! I forgot to mention Reese Wymans. Best Hamond B3 Organ Player this side of Billy Preston. Not to mention Jazz pianist to rival Vince Guiraldi.

Hacks, Indeed!! Honestly, Sometimes! :x


I couldn't agree more!!


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:07 am
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unbelievable that anyone can say that about DT
if it wasnt for them SRV wouldnt have that sound
and thanks to them SRV fluorished,a band
is a bunch of people putting their individual resources
together to attain the sound they want the audience
to hear.listen to the drums and bass on SRV or Hendrix
its like saying jimis band mates(mitchell and redding)
were flakes....duh get a life dude


if thats the case then all back up musicians are flakes
compared to their lead guitarist.

like no-one has had a bad night or to
drunk or stoned to play.....

how many of you here have recorded anything
that is played on radio or being bought in stores????


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:56 am
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Speak for yourself. Some of us have produced top artists at Abbey Road Studios and been major label recording artists ourselves. Ahem.

Watch the concert, something you obviously haven't done. DT are lost, in another room altogether, paying little or no attention to SRV, essentially an uninspiring and bored drum loop while Stevie's out there howling like a banshee struck by the greatest Muse in the galaxy.

Never seen Jimi abandoned like that, especially with the Band of Gypsies backing him--Billy Cox and Buddy Miles. I had the occasion to jam with them once in Boston at the Ark, Mike Bloomfield was along for the ride. It's like parasailing with this huge warm updraft lifting you up to the clouds. They had the skills and energy to match Jimi all the way.

You can't seriously suggest that DT are anywhere near the league of Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker, Billy Cox or Buddy Miles. Noel Redding and drummer Mitch Mitchell were ok, but Noel really was a guitar player, and played like it--way too busy.

DT have gone back to their natural environment: generic bar band blues. NTTAWWT. Fender sells a ton of amps in that market. More power to em.


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:21 pm
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wow your really a funny guy there dude....

look at you comparing them to other artists,
and you may want to get a hold of live performances
done by jimi and watch as noel and mitch lose him
especially when jimi goes into his own world and they try to follow
him

as for those others you mentioned,ya they were all great
and backed an extrodinary guitar player
but thats what band mates do

i guess it would be ok to say that whomever backs
you up is simply blah at playing cause
you as a guitarist are simply the best and command the audience
simply because you can dazzle em with your finger picking.

care to share what albumns i may find your name on?????
who have you played with and recorded?
what years?
what did you play?

Thanks frank


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:44 pm
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Not here to sell myself, anonymity is the great leveler which allows free flow of ideas. Nobody here is any better than anybody else, we're just here to exchange thoughts and ideas and opinions in a civil manner.

Hey, I have nothing against DT per se, just that SRV could have and should have done a lot better. But Texans are very loyal. And drinking buddies and old time partners count a lot. I'm all for loyalty. Heck, at least you can just listen to Stevie's brilliance and tune out the drum machine. And maybe the personal relations between these guys kept Stevie alive a few times. They probably deserve more credit than they ever get for that alone!

Bar bands are the cornerstone of American music. The last place you can still hear kick-A live music locally. Drone on, DT!


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