Point well taken. FWIW, I remember this exact topic becoming wildly popular as far back as the early '70s when Disco essentially shut down Rock for a while. The answer then as now was, the deck is stacked against it for although 'real' Rock will always be in demand, those behind the scenes, right down to the seedy club owners are always looking for ways to leave actual and talented bands out of their money making equations. They continually attempt to ram down the public's throat, their idea of music and musical trends. Unfortunately, then as now, 'real' Rock "at large" will never 'conquer' again like it did in the late '60s to early '70s.

Another point too is the fact that us old geezers were part of 'real' Rock's peak back then where talent was equally important as the visuals. Well, most of us still have the talent (maybe even more so) but the visuals? These days for sure, we'd only hurt the cause.

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"but the visuals? These days for sure, we'd only hurt the cause. "
ouch, Martian! just kidding, I hope at the very least some old geezers are still watching/listening so us old geezers can keep giging.

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Well, I am one of the old hags of the forum. And proud of it! As far back as I remember, I loved listening to the radio, and watching the many music variety shows on TV (sadly missing for many decades now, but maybe being represented in concept by MySpace and Youtube). The lines between genres have long since blurred for me. I no longer necessarily categorize music as Rock, Jazz, Country, Pop, Rap, Metal, Punk, Techno, etc. I listen to as much as I can, keep what inspires me, and ditch the rest. Music is as vital now as it has ever been.
We are at an interesting time, after the extensive investigation, exploration, and innovation in music of the past 100 years. There may be fewer, obvious, new directions to discover. Concurrently, almost anyone can participate, record, and disseminate. The venues for exposure have increased many fold, but many of these venues are impersonal and depend on the chance someone will stumble across them. It will be harder for an Elvis or a Beatles to emerge.
OK, now at the risk of being black-balled from the forum, I think a philosophical argument can be made that the evolution of Modern [in the construct of Modernity] music culminated with the Beatles. Music after the Beatles, the same as Art after Andy Warhol, is different and can be considered Post-modern( ref. The End of Art, Kuspit, and After The End Of Art, Danto). If you study Contemporary Art, you will see a correlation between the paths all the arts have followed since the mid-sixties. I am not saying the Beatles were the best band in history, rather that the aesthetic they brought to the music, and the impact it had on the music industry, the arts, fashion, and culture was an event that changed everything.
There have been profound changes to all aspects of life due to technology, and we are witnessing its infancy. I think the impact of the Beatles is being replicated by the evolution and pervasive ubiquitous access to technology. The Internet is the star.
One reward of old age is I can be silly and blame it on senility.

My honest opinion this is that anyone who thinks rock is dead or dying is trying to apply the old rules to it.

The old guard is dead and buried. There are more bands out there producing more great music than ever, I'm certain of it. For whatever you like. You like intricate metal, street level blues, Gutter punk rock, stoner anthems, total brass ska, it's out there. You just have to put your ear to the street and find your scene. Don't let the TV or radio ever dictate it to you, it won't. Find a community, online or off, go to shows, buy a couple comps, buy some split 7"s, it's all out there for you.

There is never going to be another video star, or radio star, or arena rocker who plays to tens of thousands now because there is so much more out there to find.

The old measurements of success are pointless. Get them out of your mind.

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i dont think its dead i think the media is dead. they control to much.
they have pushed pop rock and rap to the very front of the line.
i remember when there use to be hard rock and even metal being played on the radio.
sure you have your classic rock stations but nothing that really supports the new stuff.
well not here in ATL anyways. if you want to hear beyonce, gaga, black eyed peas type crap all day we have it in full swing here. no real good rock stations though. you would think we would have something right?
is rock dead? oh hell no, it just cant breath as well as it use to. to many people trying to
sufficate it.

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

^ your from around here? then you know how dead music is here just for example, rem is from here and they wont even play here anymore,everyone skips over this damn state, on the Foo Fighters/Motorhead tour, theyre literally going to every state around us... pisses me off, Cage the Elephant came, but unfortunatley tickets were out of my current budget. But I believe the internet is gonna house the next big thing, like completely house it

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yep right up the way from you. hell yes its dead here. this is Rap Town bro.
a lot of folks skip right over ATL. they dont want to attempt it even.
we have several places down town that are hot spots, but no major acts come there, usually the washed up, last hope, and the very new and up and coming.
to get 1/2 good music ya gotta go to NC, or SC creep.

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

I wish I lived in New York, at least they have a million okay indie bands playing every night, the only thing close to a musical city is athens, like 40 watt, but all the bands there are pretty poppy/old/crap/carbon copies/lame, the masquerade traded in rock for this whole Hot Topic "post-disco metal grind emo core" or whatever $@!&, uggh i hate georgia

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lol why hate ga over that?
you ever go to smiths olde bar? the vortex?


this place rocks (brush up on your game before you go, its azz soup up in there lol)
http://www.37main.com/

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Well said, and my thoughts exactly. Music is constantly changing, but there is something out there right now for everybody. I like music from all decades, and some of my favorite rock bands came out after 2000.
Maybe I'm spoiled out here in the Bay Area, but on any given weekend I can find a good local rock band playing within an hour drive time from my house.

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I know one part of Rock that is dead and will never return.

ALBUM COVERS!

" Rock Is dead "

It seems to me Iv'e heard this before, rock in itself is such a general term that it really isn't quantifiable.
If the reference is on commercially based entities than that is a whole entirely separate discussion.
If on the other hand the emphasis is on a live act, then I would venture to say that Rock is dead only because of your own perceived personal limitations.

The reference to age is also irrelevant, there are plenty of 20 year old something bands out there that are for the sake of argument, just regurgitations of past era's.
Fresh would be defined as a band or solo act for that matter having their own signature.
Herein lies the problem. Many of these bands acts are comprised of musicians who do not possess very acceptable musical skills.
For all the technology that is available, a knowledge in musical language, as well as the particular instrument will always define the output.
Three chords and a pentatonic progression do not equate a musical statement.
Just an exercise in finger movements.

There are plenty of musicians out there that are classically trained, or have spent years studying bluegrass, country, Blues, Jazz and have branched out in many avenues.
It is instant recognition when you hear such bands, their influences and knowledge is nuanced in their music, it actually sounds like music, there is melody, a story is being recited, there are peaks and valleys in their aural renderings. Their music is intended to affect you emotionally, bring you up, down and leave you content once it's over.
By those parameters there are very few bands who understand "malleable" as applied to an audience.
Those are the bands I seek to listen to.....

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not old enough to get into vortex, grrrrrrrrrrrrrr, same for any bar, i love ga always cuz its my home but i hate it for being so $@!&#*

btw tht place looks awesome

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yeah you might like it. every night is something new. some bigger acts come there too just for the joy of playing not to make the cash flow. yeah the dallas cowboy references you might have say in that short video, it just the norm you will see there. plenty above and beyond the norm too lol.

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."