Lady Gaga (for Ceri & tbazzone)

Ceri · **Posted:** Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:07 am

way cool jr wrote:

anyways, nobody can say whats shes doing wrong?

Hi WCjr: this is tricky, because many of us absolutely don't come here to post grumpy, negative, bashing copy about stuff we happen not to like. After all, who care's what someone doesn't like? Not interesting to read.

And yet. I rather doubt there will be diehard Gaga fans on this Forum who's feelings are going to get hurt. So...

I wonder if perhaps it is the massively outsized solipsism coupled with the insulting view of our intelligence encapsulated by the cynical strategy that all she has to do is talk in a weird and deeply fatuous way and wear telephones on her head to engage our attention and make money out of us - that so irritates many of us.

Far as the music itself is concerned: it's schlocky pop, no better nor worse than much else out there. If it helps while away three minutes of someone's life, good luck to 'em.

I think between them texasguitarslinger and adey have got this thing nailed.

Cheers - C

cherokee747 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:20 am

Not my cup of java but she has a huge following...........

way cool jr · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 7:34 pm **Posts:** 6911

deleted as the post was taken in the wrong manner. sorry ceri not the intent of the post

BUT REPOSTED AFTER THE FACT BY CERI, to show you guys what we are talking about.
seems that if a post was taken the wrong way by someone and i myself feel like i should remove it because it doesnt read/ come across with the message the way i intended it to, i should have the right to do so.
in removing it it shows a bit of respect to the others opinions and feelings i think.
in reposting it, it shows a big disrespect to the OP after hes appologized for it sounding the way it did, though not intended, and removing it.

thanks ceri. hell of a guy bro.

Ceri · **Posted:** Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:49 am

Way Cool wrote:

and my whole point AGAIN is she did whatever she does right. im not a huge fan ok, but i get very tired of hearing people slam someone for looking different, or acting out in a way thats not breaking the law nor is it damaging to themselves or others.
sure people can question her talent if they want, its all personal tastes i guess, but the fact still remains, on the business side of "music business" she nail it.
shes done more in such a short time than most recording artist do in a life time in that industry. face it, shes here and shes gonna keep doing what shes doing until shes ready to leave.

"all she has to do is talk in a weird and deeply fatuous way and wear telephones on her head to engage our attention and make money out of us - that so irritates many of us".

ok im gonna make this very simple and hopefully not insulting ceri cause i mean no harm here, but if it were "all she has to do" then by God lets do the same damn thing and see where it gets us. lets quit our overly worked and under paid day jobs and do the very same thing and see if we get anywhere with it.
ok lets do this, what would it take to get you to do the very statement you mentioned above? what would it take to get mr ceri (or anybody else reading) to talk in a weird and deeply fatuous way and wear a telephone on your head? just for 1 day. now think about it and answer. becareful how you answer cause it could very easy make you an idiot or make you out a liar too. so what would it take ceri? $5,000? just for 1 day now remember.
$10,000? now think of what all you could do with that money. pay on the house. put down on that green jag for you and mrs ceri. (we know thats on your brain still kickin yourself for that one huh? maybe kinda a lil bit?) come on ceri, $10,000 bro. the kids, what do they want/need? think of how much good $10,000 would do for you............
ok lets bump it to $15,000 a day, just 1 day, would ya do it? now thats a huge chunk of an annual average income here in the US made in 1 day ceri. would ya do it?
i think 90% of this forum would have caved before this already, but im going the extra mile here ceri. i bet you would cave here if not before. sure its easy to say "no i wouldnt" when we are speaking in terms like this, but if opportunity and cash were standing before you, the game would change real quick im very sure.
it was last said that gaga is on par to make $62,000,000 this yr alone.
thats, $5,166,667 per month ceri. thats a lot of money isnt it?
i mean "all she has to do is talk in a weird and deeply fatuous way and wear telephones on her head to engage our attention and make money out of us" right?
lets keep going, thats $1,291,667 per week bro lol. which comes to the figure i wanted to see most, $258,333.33 PER DAY ceri. thats $10,763 per hour lol. insane isnt it?
all that just for "all she has to do is talk in a weird and deeply fatuous way and wear telephones on her head to engage our attention and make money out of us". well if your statement is right, then that makes my statement EVEN MORE right then doesnt it?
so it does infact appear that she has nailed the "business side" and is doing something right as i stated before. so would ya have caved at $15K for 1 day ceri? careful ceri, the answer could be bad here. i'll make it easier on you so you dont have to deal with your own answer so harshly. ok for $15K, you can dress any way you want, BUT, you have to wear a telephone on your head and talk in a weird and deep fatuous sort of way lol?
you sure as F would and i dont even have to hear your answer. one would almost have to be an idiot not to. sure you will look like a dork for a day, but do you realize what doors that 1 day will open for you? a short amount of time i agree but think about it. that 1 day investment will bring you way more than $15K in opportunity and more $$. people are known to do a whole lot more for a lot less to earn a whole lot less. hell, didnt robert
supposedly sell his soul for fortune and fame lol?
here shes making $258,333.33 a damn day to do what 99% of this forum would have broken down and did at 15K. sure i expect a lot of people will say "no i wouldnt either" well like i said way above, your probably an idiot or a liar if thats the case. i do leave the 1% incase im wrong. ok, in the event that im wrong, to the 1% lets go two days. would ya do it 2 days for $30? ok lets go a week. thats $105K for the week. lol damn right you would. everybody has their price. and i would have caved at $10K myself.
damn right i would have. sure would have. 10K to look like an idiot for a day lol, i'll be there with bells on, and a telephone on my head . 6 months from now it will all be forgotten and i'll still look good from my tan that i got from the month i spent in costa rica while a stand in line at the bank depositing the remaining.
so lets go a different route here, if i did get 10K per day to look like an idiot i dont give a rats $@!, sure put me on every mag cover you see at the grocery store, in every record store world wide. sure let TMZ follow me around. and Lord knows, if they tell me the more outragious i get i can make more $$, please, Way Cool will be in your face your yrs to come always coming up with something new and more outragious than i did last week.
you can follow me to the bank on that one too. (i'll buy lunch and your plane ticket ceri, and you and the wife a new jag to lets the top down and your hair blow)

Way Cool, that is an amazingly aggressive post and absolutely does come across as a personal attack. For three pages you've been asking people to tell you what they don't like about Lady Gaga. As soon as someone has you've fallen upon them with a sarcastic twelve hundred word rant.

I'm going to reply briefly and then I'm going to walk away from this thread, because all too recently we've seen just exactly where it goes when people voice a different opinion to yours.

Your argument throughout this thread is that Gaga makes a shedload of money, therefore what she does is good. Gently put, the flaw in that line of reasoning is so obvious it would be graceless to examine it further.

I haven't the slightest problem with someone making money in this business: it is what virtually everyone other than Syd Barrett comes into it with the hope of doing. I couldn't care less about her millions, she's welcome to them, and despite your long lecture I haven't said otherwise.

However, I have no respect for someone who talks and conducts themselves like an idiot as a calculated way of attracting our interest because that shows no respect for me, you or anyone else. She and her marketing people are treating us all like the very dumbest units of material consumption: that insults our intelligence and to many of us is therefore a turn off.

That's the long and short of it.

This started as a lighthearted, jokey thread and I can't imagine why you want to turn it into anything else. Whatever: I'm not going to be involved. I know how you like to take these things to PMs but in fact anything you have to say to me you will have to be brave enough to say in front of everyone or not at all: I shall not be responding to PMs on this.

- C

EDITED: to insert WayCool's previous post.

way cool jr · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 7:34 pm **Posts:** 6911

now ceri, dont think for a minute that i mean any harm from the above post.
i wouldnt cause you no harsh feelings i promise. thing is, its all about the money when you get to that level. we both know that. we both know that "over the top" and weird pays big world wide. if your willing to do something outragious and shocking, there will always be folks lined up with cash in their hands willing to pay to see it first hand.
gaga no matter how much she gets on folks nerves, shes paid in full brother.
people that say they are in the music business for the music have either not hit the big time yet, or they are liars, or they are a very very rare situation. music is the tool they use to get it because thats what they have and are good at.
im very sure that folks are gonna say that im off my rocker with that statement or
that " im gonna/would be about the music". yeah BS. once the honeymoon wears off and
you start to see things for what they really are, its a very hard and demanding life.
that goes for no matter what your doing, music, or pullin the wool over folks eyes
as some say gaga is doing. music/wool, nothing lasts forever. look on the bright side guys, 100 yrs from now nobody will even remember who the heck she was anyways.

as for TGS's comment about the folks in a alley in Ausin not getting notice because......
no its because they didnt do something right. cant blame nobody but themselves.
its all about how far are you willing to go and what are you willing to do to get there.
way to easy to pass the buck off on somebody else for our own misfortunes.
you'll see that when you get older. been there done that myself a time or two too. :wink:

i think we all have here at some point.

way cool jr · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 7:34 pm **Posts:** 6911

ceri, easy bro. not a personal attack at all i promise you. that was explained in the PM. just talking with you one on one actually. i knew you were up and on here so was i at the time as well. not a rant at all. just showing this chic no matter how stupid she looks of how off the wall shes doing things, its working, and in a big way. the music business isnt about the music any more. hasnt been for decades either.
thats a dang shame too cause there are a lot of bands/artists we wouldnt have had to go through lol. its all about the $$ any more. on both sides, just like in sports. remember when guys would have paid big bucks just to play? now they wont even show up unless the $$ is right. it sucks too. i dont know if its like that over there but it dang sure is here.
its all about the money. i think these artists and sports folk need a salary cap. thing is it will never happen because we keep paying. we pay them over the top to do what they do and they should be so lucky to be able to do dwhat the do and love it. not to many folks can say they actually get paid to do what the like to do anymore. now its take what you can get while the hand is open so to speak.

wow going back it does seem a lil harsh doesnt it. i'll delete it so as to not get folks thinking the wrong way here.

way cool jr · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 7:34 pm **Posts:** 6911

Ceri wrote:

This started as a lighthearted, jokey thread and I can't imagine why you want to turn it into anything else. Whatever: I'm not going to be involved. I know how you like to take these things to PMs but in fact anything you have to say to me you will have to be brave enough to say in front of everyone or not at all: I shall not be responding to PMs on this.

- C

very well.
i didnt mean anything as an attack at all. just talking openly to you.
not a lot of folks are open enough on some topics to see things on both sides of the coin. you are i think. thats why i threw the figures out there for all to see. its amazing to see actually. i took a moment to shoot you a PM cause i didnt want you to take the post as an attack, just openly talking. going back to read the post after i typed it i realized it could be taken the wrong way so i deleted it, but tried to explain it to you in a PM so you wouldnt get the wrong idea, which you did anyways. sorry for that, not my intent at all.
i was just talking to someone that i think is able to see the big picture of the whole gaga fad/crazy whatever ya want to call it. stupid? yes it is, of course. people going nuts like this over 1 person please. same for elvis, the beatles, and loads more, but they do it.
take it all away from the "atrist" and would they continue to do their thing? probably not.
its all about that almighty dollar. they will keep on and keep on for as long as they get that money. something more wild and more shocking than last week.
will it stop, probably not. folks will line up and spend their last to see shiot like these folks do. i personally cant be mad at them. if i could find something wild or stupid to do to make even a 10th of what these folks make, your dang right i would do it too, and in a heart beat, and spread the wealth around with my closest. thats where the jag comment came in ceri honestly.
so if you took the post i made as an attack just because i felt we could talk about this figures and the honest stupidity of it all im sorry. it wasnt intended. i promise you that on my dead mother too. you seem to be a little more open that most and not as cut and dry as a lot of folks on here. thats why i directed my post pretty much in your direction.
so there ya have it. brave and bold enough to say it in public.

way cool jr · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 7:34 pm **Posts:** 6911

Ceri wrote:

I know how you like to take these things to PMs but in fact anything you have to say to me you will have to be brave enough to say in front of everyone or not at all: I shall not be responding to PMs on this.

- C

you and i have never PMed? how would you even come to say such a thing?
ive never EVER argued with anybody period via PM on here, nor said anything bad to them. if they say i have they are lying to you. no proof in that pudding bro.

NICE EDIT ABOVE BRO. :roll:

more shiot to be stired up im sure.

GTG · **Joined:** Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:08 pm **Posts:** 1307

You need a break, way cool. You are coming unglued.

texasguitarslinger · **Posted:** Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:01 pm

GTG wrote:

You need a break, way cool. You are coming unglued.

Yeah man, this really isn't something worth arguing about.

adey · **Posted:** Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:43 am

As Ceri said, the thread was a gag. Enjoy (or don't enjoy) it for that.

I understand that this particular artiste typifies what many people find unacceptable in pop music, or accept that she actually defines what pop music can be all about. But it certainly isn't worth falling out over. There are worse artists than Lady G who've made a lot of money, and many better ones who've made nothing and languished in obscurity.

Elton John said pop music should be a pain in the a** and if it isn't, then it isn't doing it's job. That works for me.

Miami Mike · **Posted:** Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:30 am

cherokee747 wrote:

Not my cup of java but she has a huge following...........

+1

Maybe this generation's answer to Alice Cooper?

gridlok · **Posted:** Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:42 am

Your argument throughout this thread is that Gaga makes a shedload of money, therefore what she does is good. Gently put, the flaw in that line of reasoning is so obvious it would be graceless to examine it further.

I haven't the slightest problem with someone making money in this business: it is what virtually everyone other than Syd Barrett comes into it with the hope of doing. I couldn't care less about her millions, she's welcome to them, and despite your long lecture I haven't said otherwise.

However, I have no respect for someone who talks and conducts themselves like an idiot as a calculated way of attracting our interest because that shows no respect for me, you or anyone else. She and her marketing people are treating us all like the very dumbest units of material consumption: that insults our intelligence and to many of us is therefore a turn off.

That's the long and short of it.

Once again Ceri, I totally agree with you.
Totally.
Completely.

It's kind of sad how much we, as a society in 2011, seem to respect money to the point where all else pales.

Peace,
Gridlok

PS - Thanks for "solipsism". (Had to look it up.) :lol:

yodacaster · **Posted:** Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:47 am

way cool jr wrote:

ok so she craws all over the piano in a bikini, big deal. shes doing what she wants in life.
shes paid unbelievable amounts of money. shes very talented, no questions about that.
shes on top of the billboards putting out hit after hit. shes getting paid by top designers in the world just to be seen in their latest/greatest clothing fashions. shes in just about every popular mag, all over the radio, in the news, and we are even talking about her right now.
she was doing all of this by the time she was 23 yrs old. sounds to me like shes doing pretty damn good huh? s like her or not shes doing everything right and getting paid an amazing amount of money for doing. no money isnt everything but try doing w/o it and see how far you get lol.

i heard she has gone bankrupt a few times and her managment cringes at the cost of her stage shows. She claims she has put most of her money into the perfomances.

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