most of the beats are samples anyways. they can pull up a brand new beat in seconds.
its not like the beats used in rap are anything technical anyways.

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

i used to listen to eminem but not anymore, i respect alot of rap artists though.

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I've got to respectfully disagree with that statment. The samples and loops are typically the last thing that go onto a beat, and A huge part of most rap beats come from what the creator of that beat is playing on a midi keyboard. Granted there are beats that are piles of samples thrown together, but the guys that get the most respect in the industry (Dr. Dre, Timbaland, Swizz Beats and even Scott Storch) put together some killer beats. And it won't be hard to find a Dre beat with no samples whatsoever in it. Just my 2 cents.

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For me it's not whether it's music or not, to me, generally speaking, it is overly repetitive, negative and greatly misogynistic.

I'm with adey on Gil Scott Heron!!! He was a true innovator.

Having a heavy metal background I got into House of Pain, Cypress Hill Funkdobeast and the like.........probably can't be described a s rap now but I loved that stuff....Everlast has had a couple of great albums since he went solo and newer stuff like Micahel Frantii and SPearhead is some clever, topical stuff.

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And I proudly lack a stick or a kazoo up my arse...........

You guys are all generalizing an entire genre based on a very small sampling of it.

Anyways, what do you guys use for beats? I've played around with Fruity Loops quite a bit.

Even got the strat samples plugin pack, lol.

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Listen to this BEP with Jackson Brown.... Singin a funk hiphop sort of number that rubbish's that sort of music... You just cant say this is crap....it rocks....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MxOTYmPgS8


Or this from Beastie Boys.... The guitaring in this is so funky it's ridiculous....Ya just cant bag this for not rockin either....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4WZIs5uE6k


Dont get me wrong i dont make a habbit of listenin to hip hop at all but it aint "all" Poo...

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MOST of the beats these days are just samples. the same beats over and over used by different rappers. a little of this added, a little of that taken out.
come out here to ATL and i'll take you to a few stops. you'll be suprised whats done in the matter of minutes. sure funk, flex, dre, and a few others are hard at work coming up with something different, but the majority is just looped crap.
think of how many rap song you know that use the same beats over and over.
different artists too. only the top 5% are getting anything fresh and new. nelly, outcast,
jayz, nas, k.west, lil wayne, ti. remind me to tell ya about that gun fight ti got into up in ohio a few yrs back. i saw it. what a trip. i'll shoot you a PM on it. (short story)

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Look past the mainstream garbage of today and pretty much all of it is original.

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i much rather listen to the old stuff when they had to actually work for it to be honest.

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Click the links above.....Then comment...

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"Listen to this BEP with Jackson Brown.... Singin a funk hiphop sort of number that rubbish's that sort of music... You just cant say this is crap....it rocks....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MxOTYmPgS8


Or this from Beastie Boys.... The guitaring in this is so funky it's ridiculous....Ya just cant bag this for not rockin either....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4WZIs5uE6k


Dont get me wrong i dont make a habbit of listenin to hip hop at all but it aint "all" Poo...Poop would be a much more accurate description. I dig the Black Eyed link, thanks Bro. This is the Don. Watch his feet, he doesn't stop, dancer/singer. Covering much of the discussion and flat out dominating any beat discussion. Keep listening to the good stuff
James Brown - Cold Sweat Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Pg7MOTEEw
James Brown - Cold Sweat Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy-f0px7 ... re=related
James Brown I Can't Stand It
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKMyEcwf ... re=related
James Brown - I Can't Stand It (Finale) the Don has it under control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LD2NzVO ... re=related
James Brown - Out of sight (live Olympia 1966)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmIHIF74 ... re=related

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i cant work with you on the BEP. aint but 1 reason anybody goes to see them.

the beastie's where not always rap. go listen to polly wog stew.

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

i respect the old rap none of this new CRUD!!!!
like i respect van halen but i don't listen to them or him very much

Yeah I hear that most do just throw some samples together and call it a beat. (guys like Jay Z and P. Diddy come to mind) and a lot of rap from the south is pretty generic. T.I., retarded as he is sometimes is still one of my favorite rappers though.



+1 I still prefer a lot of the old guys.

I've been using Frooty Loops. I like the simple layout compared to CakeWalk Music Creator which I also have but it's rather difficult to use.

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