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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:42 pm
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i am confused because when i write songs it seems like i can write any kind of genre except for the ones i like. i listen to the kind of music like but what i write still comes out as types i hate! any


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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:46 am
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You know what that means?

That means you don't really hate that kind of music. You just think you're supposed to.


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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:53 am
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yeah i really dont hate the genre (darker radio rock/pop i guess. and late 90's moderate stuff) but it's not one i'd want to persue or play much of at all. it's good enough i guess though that there may be a chance of me editing it until i like it


it gets frustrating sometimes. i love guitar to death and wouldn't think of quitting but i'm a perfectionist and i will pick at and think about something until i drive myself crazy. some of the bands i like can write these amazing riffs and melodies and sometimes i feel like i will never be able to do that. i just have to remind myself that they've been playing for a LOT longer than me, they're much older than me, and they have real live people to play with.

just give me a few days and a few more frustrated posts (some supportive ones by you guys would be nice als and i'll be fine.

i've only been playing 7 months it'll come with time.


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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:33 am
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Here's how to get past that.

1. Stop labeling things. The sooner you stop hearing a song and think "darker radio rock/pop" or something like that, the further along you will be.

2. Stop comparing yourself. As John Fortescue de laudibus Legum Angliae supposedly said, "Comparisons are odious."

3. Remember that when you're practicing, writing or working out ideas, you can't make a mistake. Interesting mistakes are the soil in which creative ideas grow.

4. If you like it, it's good.


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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:45 am
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Gravity Jim wrote:
Here's how to get past that.

1. Stop labeling things. The sooner you stop hearing a song and think "darker radio rock/pop" or something like that, the further along you will be.

2. Stop comparing yourself. As John Fortescue de laudibus Legum Angliae supposedly said, "Comparisons are odious."

3. Remember that when you're practicing, writing or working out ideas, you can't make a mistake. Interesting mistakes are the soil in which creative ideas grow.

4. If you like it, it's good.


This is all good advice.

I've been playing for a long time. There are people who've played far shorter who are much better players.

But frankly they're irrelevant. The only relevant consideration is whether the work I try to do meets my expectations and goals. Everything else is just a distraction.


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i understand what you re saying. when i was a kid i tried and tried to right stuff that sounded like nirvana. It took me forever to just right. I still get bored with my self some times. But what i learned is what you right tell who you really are. Dont be scared of that. SOme of the best music somes from that/


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Sometimes I find it helpful to temporarily stop listening to the style or kind of music I am trying to write. Sounds weird but it works for me.

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I think what you're calling a problem is pretty common. What musicians write and what they listen to are often very different things. I think thats a good thing. What you listen to is what you find entertaining. What you write is your personality, your experience, your essence in musicial expression. Don't fight your natural musicial instincts, nurture them.

I listen to a lot of 70s prog. Yes, Genesis(with Peter Gabriel, not that 80's ABACAB crap),Pink Floyd. The stuff I write doesn't fall into that catagory at all. Like you, it used to bother me. I wanted to sound and write like my hero's. But thats not me, thats them. They didn't listen to prog either, it didn't exsist. They listened to 50's and 60's pop/folk rock. They started out trying to be their hero's but ended up creating a whole new genre because they finally started to follow their own natural tendencies.

As you mature as a musician, into your 20's and 30's you'll find the music you wanted so badly to emulate as a teen is now old school and by then you'll have developed your own style, followed your natural musical instincts......maybe even get to create a new genre.

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cryingstrat wrote:
I think what you're calling a problem is pretty common. What musicians write and what they listen to are often very different things. I think thats a good thing. What you listen to is what you find entertaining. What you write is your personality, your experience, your essence in musicial expression. Don't fight your natural musicial instincts, nurture them.

I listen to a lot of 70s prog. Yes, Genesis(with Peter Gabriel, not that 80's ABACAB crap),Pink Floyd. The stuff I write doesn't fall into that catagory at all. Like you, it used to bother me. I wanted to sound and write like my hero's. But thats not me, thats them. They didn't listen to prog either, it didn't exsist. They listened to 50's and 60's pop/folk rock. They started out trying to be their hero's but ended up creating a whole new genre because they finally started to follow their own natural tendencies.


thanks guys this is helping. one thing i've learned is that i need to be a happier person because most of my songs are slower and darker :wink:


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harmonicchaos wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
I think what you're calling a problem is pretty common. What musicians write and what they listen to are often very different things. I think thats a good thing. What you listen to is what you find entertaining. What you write is your personality, your experience, your essence in musicial expression. Don't fight your natural musicial instincts, nurture them.

I listen to a lot of 70s prog. Yes, Genesis(with Peter Gabriel, not that 80's ABACAB crap),Pink Floyd. The stuff I write doesn't fall into that catagory at all. Like you, it used to bother me. I wanted to sound and write like my hero's. But thats not me, thats them. They didn't listen to prog either, it didn't exsist. They listened to 50's and 60's pop/folk rock. They started out trying to be their hero's but ended up creating a whole new genre because they finally started to follow their own natural tendencies.


thanks guys this is helping. one thing i've learned is that i need to be a happier person because most of my songs are slower and darker :wink:


Slow and dark can be good.

Edgar Allen Poe did pretty well with it. ;)


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Brian Krashpad wrote:
harmonicchaos wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
I think what you're calling a problem is pretty common. What musicians write and what they listen to are often very different things. I think thats a good thing. What you listen to is what you find entertaining. What you write is your personality, your experience, your essence in musicial expression. Don't fight your natural musicial instincts, nurture them.

I listen to a lot of 70s prog. Yes, Genesis(with Peter Gabriel, not that 80's ABACAB crap),Pink Floyd. The stuff I write doesn't fall into that catagory at all. Like you, it used to bother me. I wanted to sound and write like my hero's. But thats not me, thats them. They didn't listen to prog either, it didn't exsist. They listened to 50's and 60's pop/folk rock. They started out trying to be their hero's but ended up creating a whole new genre because they finally started to follow their own natural tendencies.


thanks guys this is helping. one thing i've learned is that i need to be a happier person because most of my songs are slower and darker :wink:


Slow and dark can be good.

Edgar Allen Poe did pretty well with it. ;)


Until Edgar Allen Poe died face down in a ditch after stumbling out of a bar completely drunk.

I find writing what I want to write and not what I think I like is the best way to write music.


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ThatGuitarGuyAL wrote:
Brian Krashpad wrote:
harmonicchaos wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
I think what you're calling a problem is pretty common. What musicians write and what they listen to are often very different things. I think thats a good thing. What you listen to is what you find entertaining. What you write is your personality, your experience, your essence in musicial expression. Don't fight your natural musicial instincts, nurture them.

I listen to a lot of 70s prog. Yes, Genesis(with Peter Gabriel, not that 80's ABACAB crap),Pink Floyd. The stuff I write doesn't fall into that catagory at all. Like you, it used to bother me. I wanted to sound and write like my hero's. But thats not me, thats them. They didn't listen to prog either, it didn't exsist. They listened to 50's and 60's pop/folk rock. They started out trying to be their hero's but ended up creating a whole new genre because they finally started to follow their own natural tendencies.


thanks guys this is helping. one thing i've learned is that i need to be a happier person because most of my songs are slower and darker :wink:


Slow and dark can be good.

Edgar Allen Poe did pretty well with it. ;)


Until Edgar Allen Poe died face down in a ditch after stumbling out of a bar completely drunk.


Well, the lesson there: don't get stumbling drunk.


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ThatGuitarGuyAL wrote:
Brian Krashpad wrote:
harmonicchaos wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
I think what you're calling a problem is pretty common. What musicians write and what they listen to are often very different things. I think thats a good thing. What you listen to is what you find entertaining. What you write is your personality, your experience, your essence in musicial expression. Don't fight your natural musicial instincts, nurture them.

I listen to a lot of 70s prog. Yes, Genesis(with Peter Gabriel, not that 80's ABACAB crap),Pink Floyd. The stuff I write doesn't fall into that catagory at all. Like you, it used to bother me. I wanted to sound and write like my hero's. But thats not me, thats them. They didn't listen to prog either, it didn't exsist. They listened to 50's and 60's pop/folk rock. They started out trying to be their hero's but ended up creating a whole new genre because they finally started to follow their own natural tendencies.


thanks guys this is helping. one thing i've learned is that i need to be a happier person because most of my songs are slower and darker :wink:


Slow and dark can be good.

Edgar Allen Poe did pretty well with it. ;)


Until Edgar Allen Poe died face down in a ditch after stumbling out of a bar completely drunk.

I find writing what I want to write and not what I think I like is the best way to write music.


i have a promising future :roll: !

caw caw! :lol:


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A lot of Pink Floyd can be considered dark, Roger Waters definately has a morbid streak, and it worked out just fine for them.

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my moms scared of pink floyd :lol:

she's probably wondering where she went wrong with me.


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