While we're on the subject of frets, has anyone tried these for real?
They look bizzare, but the theory behind them is sound (pun intended! ) and they've got some heavyweight endorsement.
http://www.truetemperament.com/

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Saw these on another thread. Got to say I don't fancy them much. User Limerot says they are great though.

Imagine trying to re-fret that though... ...............................and it certainly ain't cheap for one of those necks!!!

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Steve Vai is supportive of them, take it however you will

I think a lot of guitar "innovations" (and I use that term loosely) are the product of overthinking. None of my guitars have frets anything similar to that, nor do they have intonation issues.

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how would you do a recrown on something like that?
i agree with tim on this. i dont need them. guitars have been
around a very long time and done just fine w/o them.

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

They don't correct the real problem, just mask over it. The seat of the problem is the modern tempered music scale is wrong. All that (and most other systems) do is offer a alternative incorrectness.

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so niki, what is the fix? that nut you make? just curious.

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Every guitar has "intonation issues", it's inherent in the physics of the design.

The real question is whether the inaccuracies on intonation are significant enough to detract from the music, for the listener. I guess a lot of it comes down to the style of music and the context of the listener - It's unlikely to be noticed at a live Heavy Metal gig, but can be quite significant in a high-quality studio recording of "clean" guitars.

Don't you ever play a chord and think it doesn't sound quite right, even after you've just tuned? Or one inversion sounds perfect but another sounds slightly discordant? "Intonation Issues".

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i re fretted a couple of guitars... i would never want a guitar with frets like that... in the life of a good quility guitar.. it might need a couple of re fretting jobs... that would cost a arm and a leg to refret!

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It's one of those things that is really going to mean a difference only to someone on that level, like a Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie Malmsteen, etc. Thse who work the fretboard in such technical intricate ways.

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Yeah yeah yeah, you got me there. When I say I have had no intonation issues, I mean no more than any other guitar I have played. Including models with the Buzz Feiten tuning system which was the first I heard of that was supposed to 'correct' the issues, as well as guitars with fanned frets. And I have yet to find anything that's better, just off in different ways. So for me, I'll stick with frets that don't require a masters in geometry to level. And I have heard MANY recordings of clean guitars that were very pleasing and sounded quite good. I think, as musicians, people tend to be so focused on scientific technicalities they forget to stop and realize that things have been working great the way they are for years. These frets are completely impractical for a working musician. I would not want to price a fret job for a guitar with those frets, nor would I want to go through the search it'd take to find someone capable of doing the work. Just my 2 cents.

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all of this i can live with comfortably. like i said before, guitars have been around for a long time amd done just fine.

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Niki is quite right. The problem is the western ear's appreciation of what constitutes a 'proper' equal temprament scale. At a harmonic level, it's actually quite un-natural. And the problem is not restricted to the guitar. Pianos are tuned to a stretched equal temprament scale. If it was tuned purely to semitones, you would think it out of tune when it was played over 2 or 3 octaves. Go and find a synthesiser that offers alternate scale options and listen to a true pure minor or pure major scale. You will find it unsettling.. just plain wrong by our perception of what those scales SHOULD sound like. Microtones are not (generally) a feature of Western music. Eastern music practitioners are way ahead of us on this. And, it's why a piano is so expensive to have tuned - it takes extensive training and a marvellous ear to do it right!

So the solution? There isn't a proper one. A guitar tuning is a compromise - always has been. Wavy frets (you'd need to re-design your fingers for Barrie chords!) and Buzz Feiten style systems are - just as Niki says - an attempt to fix something that actually isn't broken..

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Exactly what I would say too. Thanks Adey, saved me a job. Though I'd argue that the tempered scale is broken. Thirds just never sound right to me these days, not on anything ever. I ruined myself chasing good intonation, it's simply a unattainable goal unless you go with a 33 fret octave guitar. Thereby achieving the best of both worlds, perfect accuracy with the option to play sharp or flat as you wish

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