Greatest Fender Players

ralfcaetano · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 10:09 am

1.hendrix
2.malmsteen
3.cobain
4.clapton
5.ian d'sa/ (maybe corgan)

Voodoo Blues · **Joined:** Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:05 am **Posts:** 1333

1. Gallagher
2. Vaughan
3. Hendrix

ralfcaetano · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 10:22 am

jtdonner1 wrote:

Awesome response, Ralf. I like it. I figured I'd get slammed for Corgan/Cobain rankings--and I'm sure I will--but it's all in good fun. I like to see the reactions.

I find it amusing when people who have apparently never listened to the music trash Corgan or say they've never heard of him or were not even aware he plays a strat. For example, somebody was complaining that Corgan has a signature model and some other person doesn't and saying [the poster] was not even aware that Corgan plays a strat and also included a rude comment about his opinion on Corgan's singing. If you don't like Smashing Pumpkins or Corgan's music, fine, but it is simply a fact that Corgan is a freakin' amazing, amazing guitarist. Plus he's sold 30 million records (not that it's about that) and done Fender proud.

Also, the Corgan Strat is absolute perfection. I'm just sayin....

what can i say i'm a sap for the 90's kurt is my idol basically and you gotta admit corgan knows how to write a song i just put ian d'sa there cause he has his own way of playing and i admire it cause his style is pretty unique he's a big influence of mine...

don't worry about the whole corgan deal he loves the strat just cause he is seen mostly on music videos with flying v's doesn't mean he doesn't like it... if people saw how corgan talked about the strat they'd be suprised

redrover45 · **Joined:** Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:49 pm **Posts:** 27

No offense to anyone, I know this is all subjective.
But in no way does cobain make any greatest list IMO.
Speaking strictly of his guitar playing...whats there to say really?
He wasn't very good. From interviews and stuff I've read about him, I think he wanted to be the "anti-guitar hero" really.
You're entitled to your opinion of course, I just don't get the whole Nirvana trip.

Hendrix
Vaughan
Clapton
J.Beck
Gallagher
Burton
B.Guy
Gilmour
A.Collins
Bramhall II

ralfcaetano · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 10:28 am

redrover45 wrote:

No offense to anyone, I know this is all subjective.
But in no way does cobain make any greatest list IMO.
Speaking strictly of his guitar playing...whats there to say really?
He wasn't very good. From interviews and stuff I've read about him, I think he wanted to be the "anti-guitar hero" really.
You're entitled to your opinion of course, I just don't get the whole Nirvana trip.

Hendrix
Vaughan
Clapton
J.Beck
Gallagher
Burton
B.Guy
Gilmour
A.Collins
Bramhall II

i get you and it's a pretty legit opinion but i kinda like the way he plays cause it was totally layed back he didn't care if he was screwing up andhe had a message with that... it's okay to be yourself...

ralfcaetano · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 10:38 am

some people don't get certain styles i get that i'm not really into shred myself i'm like "sure it's fast but what's it worth if it doesn't sound right?" nirvana is just that kind of deal

Screamin' Armadillo · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 10:45 am

My HIGHLY subjective list that nobody can argue with me because I am right and they are wrong if they disagree (

)...

Roy Buchanan
Tab Benoit
Waylon Jennings
Don Rich
Doyle Bramhall II
Charlie Sexton
Jimmie Vaughan
Billy Gibbons (yes, he plays Fenders)
Albert Collins
Derek O'Brien
Terry Jordan
Stephen Lamb II
Buddy Guy
Robert Cray
Rory Gallager
David Holt
Kid Bangham
Kid Ramos
Eric Clapton
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Mike Keller
Vince Gill
Ian Moore
Brewer Phillips
David Gilmour
Jeff Beck
Bruce Springsteen
Ike Turner
Buddy Holly
Keith Ferguson (bassist)
Tommy Shannon (bassist)
Dusty Hill (bassist)
and several more that I can't think of right now...

I oddly agree about Cobain (he wasn't technically great, but he greatly influenced the face of rock & roll so much, he should be on the list).

Billy Corgan looks like Uncle Fester and sounds like a large annoying housefly and is a songwriter more than a guitarist; Iha belongs on a guitar player list before Corgan. I didn't even know he played Strats until he got his own signature model. The fact that he has a signature model and Doyle Bramhall II, Charlie Sexton and Tab Benoit don't proves there's no justice in this world.

yodacaster · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 11:30 am

Joe Strummer
Andy Summers

Andybighair · **Joined:** Tue Dec 01, 2009 9:22 am **Posts:** 2175

Nevin

Jimi Hendrix & Jeff Beck

Andy

Retroverbial · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 1:38 pm

It's unfathomable that nobody has mentioned Nils Lofgren and Randy California. I'm given to understand that they both sold a few records in their time......

:evil:

Arjay

cherokee747 · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 1:45 pm

jtdonner1 wrote:

Corgan being great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JdWBXnANN4&NR=1

I challenge anyone to tell me that Corgan is not great.

He's not great.I love a challenge.........

Welcome to the forum..........

martynrss2 · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 2:08 pm

Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler. They're definitely my top three.
I think SRV was something different, and a great player but I don't think his music has influenced as reached as many as the others.

stratoBobster · **Joined:** Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:21 am **Posts:** 959

redrover45 wrote:

GallagherB

Was he in Smashing Watermelons?

cherokee747 · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 2:57 pm

Tommy Bolin,Anson Funderburgh,Brad Paisley, there's a ton of great Fender players.

Screamin' Armadillo · **Posted:** Wed May 18, 2011 2:57 pm

jtdonner1 wrote:

Anyone bashing Corgan needs to watch the 2008 documentary "If All Goes Wrong" immediately, if not sooner. Corgan is a great guitarist. It is trendy to say Iha is better. Blah Blah Blah. Corgan addresses that issue (sort of) in the movie. Iha wrote a few chords from 2 of Smashing Pumpkins' about 90 songs (the first group). Whatever. Iha is a professional guitarist and great, no doubt about it. I wish I could meet him and take lessons from him. The new guy, Jeff, who's been w/ the band since 2007, is a professional guitarist (who is also about to get a PhD--he's great) too. He's great. They are both infinitely better than me and most other people, or they would not have shared a stage w/ Corgan using the name Smashing Pumpkins. But Corgan is great, period. He can solo like Hendrix, literally. He's really really good, grew up w/ metal, and can play Yngwie Malmsteen if he feels like it.

Also, his voice and appearance are not relevant to his guitar playing.

True, his appearance has nothing to do with his guitar playing...that was meant as a humourous aside. I am not a matinee idol, either...although I look more like a damaged James Spader than an older Jackie Coogan.

His vocal abilities are relevant to his guitar playing, because you have to sit through his singing to get to his guitar playing. My biggest turn-off about all of his bands (Pumpkins, etc.) was his singing, just as my biggest turn-off to Guns N' Roses, Rush and several other bands was the grating voice of the singer. I actually like some SP songs, but the weakest link in that band wasn't music or lyrics, but vocals.

After watching a couple of YouTube clips, I stand partially corrected; yes, he can play guitar. However, I personally know (and have played with) many guitarists who could eat his lunch in three licks or less. He's not much better than me (in our perspective styles, of course; I don't play like him and he doesn't play like me), and I'm only a decent-to-good guitarist. He is a creative songwriter, and I mean that as a compliment, not being snarky at all.

To compare him to Malmsteen won't win me over to your side...Malmsteen is a soulless, mechanical jackass. I actually think Corgan is better, in the sense that he puts some soul into his guitar playing.

My aversion to his being awarded a signature Stratocaster is perhaps more drawn from the fact that there are several equally worthy (or more worthy) artists who have not had that privilege (a few that I mentioned earlier). I don't think that John Mayer, Jim Root or Kenny Wayne Sheppard are deserving of their own signature models, either...especially Mayer and Root, who now have multiple axes designed or signed in their honor.

As far as it being "trendy" to say Iha is better, I don't follow trends and I don't really think of the Pumpkins being trendy anymore. Very few people I know are still talking about them (in a "trend-setting" or "faddish" manner). As I said earlier, I thought musically the Pumpkins were pretty good, and that is 90% because of Corgan's songwriting. Iha was a better guitarist, period--technically, etc. He might not have been as creative, but he was the better guitarist.

The best songwriter in the group (or even the leader of the group) is not always the best guitarist in the group (for example, Keith Richards, Lucinda Williams, Bob Dylan, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf...); that doesn't mean they suck, it just means they are smart enough to get somebody who can fill out their creations to their full potential. Corgan was smart to have Iha in the band, just as he is smart to have the new guy in his band.

I'll admit he's not bad...but Corgan is not the end-all, be-all of Fender guitarists.

Peace...

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