pedal questions...

ralfcaetano · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:21 am

Ceri wrote:

ralfcaetano wrote:

...it is a good way to experiment on a new sound for me...

Exactly! That's the pleasure of these types of unit. Lots of different flavors at the twist of a knob. Good stuff - and while pricewise they are obviously pitched at the bedroom hero crowd there's absolutely no reason someone couldn't use them for serious gigging.

I think they're highly functional and underated.

Still, this thread will soon fill up with people talking about their Keeley modded Rat II pedals and other such exotica - and that's all right and proper too.

It's all good clean fun!

Cheers - C

i guess everyone has different ways to get their own sound... honestly i'm thinking on using a ds-1 i know that it's already on the me-70 but i find that it perhaps isn't exactly as perfect as the pedal and i'm also gonna mix a bad monkey overdrive to give more body to my solos i might put a compressor cause it kinda models my sound a bit with the attack knob....

ralfcaetano · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:27 am

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

After reading Ceri & Raef's comments, I realized that everybody who uses multieffects board says, "It's great except..."

If there's an "except" on my pedalboard, I start looking for another pedal pretty quickly.

That doesn't mean the ME50 or ME70 are useless (a former bandmate used an ME50 with great results live and in studio), it just means that, as he said, "I found two of the 22 overdrives were good; I found one of the four reverbs good, I didn't like any of the wah or phase effects..." and so one. He ended up using just the effects he liked, and the rest were just wasted bits and bytes to him.

I guess I would rather just buy a good-to-great overdrive (note the two on my board) than rifle through/eventually ignore the other 20 "meh-to-bleh" overdrives.

Multi-effects are cool and always improving (I'd like to hear the newer Line 6 models in person), but I still think if you're going for an original or personalized sound, go with individual stompboxes. If it were a "backup" or bedroom/practice rig (a la Ceri's downstairs practice rig), that's a very cool use for the multi-boards.

dude that's what i'm saying... multi effects are only good for experimentation but i have to admit i use almost all the modulation effects on my board the rest i guess is pretty obselete except for the 2 delays the tuner and the expression pedal that does voice modulation rate and delay rate controls it is also important to get your sound in the experimentation process

Ceri · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:48 am

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

After reading Ceri & Raef's comments, I realized that everybody who uses multieffects board says, "It's great except..."

Hi SA,

Oh I dunno - where was my "except"? For sure, we don't want to pretend they're something they're not, but I think these units are pretty amazing for what they are and incredible value for money. I also think Hendrix or Gilmour would have wept for joy if they could have got hold of one back in the day, long before anyone heard of modding TS808s or any such recherché stuff.

To be absolutely clear, Screamin', I'd take your fabulous and tastefully appointed pedalboard any day of the week. Or mine, for that matter. Obviously.

But I'm just trying to encourage all the young'ns here not to feel uncomfortable about their multi-FX units. I have a notion you're approximately in the same age bracket as me - our minds would have boggled over gizmos like this way back when, wouldn't they?

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

That doesn't mean the ME50 or ME70 are useless (a former bandmate used an ME50 with great results live and in studio), it just means that, as he said, "I found two of the 22 overdrives were good; I found one of the four reverbs good...

Yeah... though another way to look at that is: how much of your MXR's gain knob's range do you use? For all I know you're always twisting it from one end of the clock to the other and if so, more power to your elbow. But I know that on my HT-Dual pedal (my fave drive unit these days) the gain controls move around within a very limited part of their spectrum. That doesn't mean that 90 percent of their potential sounds are no good, it just means 90 percent is not for me. It's that sweet 10 percent I love it for!

I'd look at the multi-FX unit's drive emulations the same way. I never use the DS-1, MT-1 and Fuzzface sims on the ME-50's knob - but then I don't want the real things either. Any drive pedal with a couple of fine sounds on it is already paying its way.

...Gosh this is odd. I didn't expect to be typing away here today defending budget gear. Let's talk about germanium transistors instead, so's I can regain a bit of cred! :lol:

And has anyone found out what this Bradshaw thing is yet?

Cheers guys - C

Screamin' Armadillo · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:20 am

Ceri wrote:

For sure, we don't want to pretend they're something they're not, but I think these units are pretty amazing for what they are and incredible value for money. I also think Hendrix or Gilmour would have wept for joy if they could have got hold of one back in the day, long before anyone heard of modding TS808s or any such recherché stuff.

Oh, yeah--if you could take one of these units back to the early days of experimentalism (a la Hendrix, Gilmour, Beck, Page), life would be very different for all of us...especially considering they're not nearly as noisy as the old stompboxes were...the mind wrinkles at the thought of Hendrix with all those sounds at his disposal. :shock:

..and you're right about the price, they're great for beginners or "veterans" alike.

Ceri wrote:

To be absolutely clear, Screamin', I'd take your fabulous and tastefully appointed pedalboard any day of the week. Or mine, for that matter. Obviously.

Thank you! :oops:

Ceri wrote:

But I'm just trying to encourage all the young'ns here not to feel uncomfortable about their multi-FX units. I have a notion you're approximately in the same age bracket as me - our minds would have boggled over gizmos like this way back when, wouldn't they?

Once again, you're right. I don't think anybody should be embarrassed about anything they use (whether it be price, reputation or appearance) if it works for them...I just know that (as my old age attests), years of experimenting and trying to make a multi-effect do what sometimes only a dedicated stompbox could accomplish was very frustrating--and sometimes expensive.

Ceri wrote:

Yeah... though another way to look at that is: how much of your MXR's gain knob's range do you use? For all I know you're always twisting it from one end of the clock to the other and if so, more power to your elbow. But I know that on my HT-Dual pedal (my fave drive unit these days) the gain controls move around within a very limited part of their spectrum. That doesn't mean that 90 percent of their potential sounds are no good, it just means 90 percent is not for me. It's that sweet 10 percent I love it for!

Well, actually...I do tweak the settings on most of my pedals a lot (note the marked settings on my various pedals, most famously the Phase 90's "P", "Three Pounds" and "L" settings...all named for specific songs I use the Phase 90 on. The Micro Amp is used for level matching between my three main axes and boost for solos, so the toe of my boot gives it a workout as well.
But your "sweet 10%" point is well-taken; there are pedals whose knobs are set for life (Boss RE20)...or until I get bored! :lol:

Ceri wrote:

...Gosh this is odd. I didn't expect to be typing away here today defending budget gear. Let's talk about germanium transistors instead, so's I can regain a bit of cred! :lol:

It would take a lot more than defending budget gear for you to lose cred around here!

Ceri wrote:

And has anyone found out what this Bradshaw thing is yet?

Bob Bradshaw, maker of fine pedalboards/effects pedals/effects systems; he's the guy who started Custom Audio Electronics, and who has designed the MXR Classic Overdrive pedal on my board; CAE and MXR have teamed up for several designs. MXR/Dunlop distributes some of his pedals as well under the CAE name.
He does similar things that Cornish does for pedalboards. I guess Way Cool Jr thought you have a Bradshaw board. :?:

ralfcaetano · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:26 am

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

Ceri wrote:

For sure, we don't want to pretend they're something they're not, but I think these units are pretty amazing for what they are and incredible value for money. I also think Hendrix or Gilmour would have wept for joy if they could have got hold of one back in the day, long before anyone heard of modding TS808s or any such recherché stuff.

Oh, yeah--if you could take one of these units back to the early days of experimentalism (a la Hendrix, Gilmour, Beck, Page), life would be very different for all of us...especially considering they're not nearly as noisy as the old stompboxes were...the mind wrinkles at the thought of Hendrix with all those sounds at his disposal. :shock:

..and you're right about the price, they're great for beginners or "veterans" alike.

Ceri wrote:

To be absolutely clear, Screamin', I'd take your fabulous and tastefully appointed pedalboard any day of the week. Or mine, for that matter. Obviously.

Thank you! :oops:

Ceri wrote:

But I'm just trying to encourage all the young'ns here not to feel uncomfortable about their multi-FX units. I have a notion you're approximately in the same age bracket as me - our minds would have boggled over gizmos like this way back when, wouldn't they?

Once again, you're right. I don't think anybody should be embarrassed about anything they use (whether it be price, reputation or appearance) if it works for them...I just know that (as my old age attests), years of experimenting and trying to make a multi-effect do what sometimes only a dedicated stompbox could accomplish was very frustrating--and sometimes expensive.

Ceri wrote:

Yeah... though another way to look at that is: how much of your MXR's gain knob's range do you use? For all I know you're always twisting it from one end of the clock to the other and if so, more power to your elbow. But I know that on my HT-Dual pedal (my fave drive unit these days) the gain controls move around within a very limited part of their spectrum. That doesn't mean that 90 percent of their potential sounds are no good, it just means 90 percent is not for me. It's that sweet 10 percent I love it for!

Well, actually...I do tweak the settings on most of my pedals a lot (note the marked settings on my various pedals, most famously the Phase 90's "P", "Three Pounds" and "L" settings...all named for specific songs I use the Phase 90 on. The Micro Amp is used for level matching between my three main axes and boost for solos, so the toe of my boot gives it a workout as well.
But your "sweet 10%" point is well-taken; there are pedals whose knobs are set for life (Boss RE20)...or until I get bored! :lol:

Ceri wrote:

...Gosh this is odd. I didn't expect to be typing away here today defending budget gear. Let's talk about germanium transistors instead, so's I can regain a bit of cred! :lol:

It would take a lot more than defending budget gear for you to lose cred around here!

Ceri wrote:

And has anyone found out what this Bradshaw thing is yet?

Bob Bradshaw, maker of fine pedalboards/effects pedals/effects systems; he's the guy who started Custom Audio Electronics, and who has designed the MXR Classic Overdrive pedal on my board; CAE and MXR have teamed up for several designs. MXR/Dunlop distributes some of his pedals as well under the CAE name.
He does similar things that Cornish does for pedalboards. I guess Way Cool Jr thought you have a Bradshaw board. :?:

lol i just use the me-70 cause i don't believe in modulation and delay effects and how the individual pedals can make a signature sound in a diferent way that my me-70 does

Ceri · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:36 am

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

It would take a lot more than defending budget gear for you to lose cred around here!

Oh really? What would it take?

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

Ceri wrote:

And has anyone found out what this Bradshaw thing is yet?

Bob Bradshaw, maker of fine pedalboards/effects pedals/effects systems; he's the guy who started Custom Audio Electronics, and who has designed the MXR Classic Overdrive pedal on my board; CAE and MXR have teamed up for several designs. MXR/Dunlop distributes some of his pedals as well under the CAE name.
He does similar things that Cornish does for pedalboards. I guess Way Cool Jr thought you have a Bradshaw board. :?:

Hahaha: well there ya go, I didn't know that. So job done: any remaining cred crumbles to dust!

:lol:

Cheers man - C

way cool jr · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 7:34 pm **Posts:** 6911

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

I guess Way Cool Jr thought you have a Bradshaw board. :?:

um..........nooooooooooooo. :wink:

Screamin' Armadillo · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:42 am

ralfcaetano wrote:

lol i just use the me-70 cause i don't believe in modulation

As you can see by my effects board, I would be very sad without modulation! The MXR Phase 90, wah pedal and RT20 all get regular workouts...and I'm researching flangers and octave effects!

ralfcaetano wrote:

how the individual pedals can make a signature sound in a diferent way that my me-70 does

I guess the only way it's different is because many of the digital multieffects are reproductions or emulations of specific pedals that are still available (why get a copy if the original is attainable?) and there's certain sounds that I couldn't find in a multi-effect...although, I'm not familiar with the ME70. I've played through a ME50 and thought it was cool, but not for my wants/needs...unfortunately I can't afford to have multiple practice rigs. :cry:

Plus, I can put a overdrive before a wah or a fuzz after the phaser or whatever, and change the personality/texture/sound of the pedals. Is it possible to change the "order" of the pedals on a multieffect:?: (I'm not challenging you, I just don't know...)...if you can change the order, that makes the ME much more useful.

Screamin' Armadillo · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:45 am

Ceri wrote:

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

It would take a lot more than defending budget gear for you to lose cred around here!

Oh really? What would it take?

Endorsement of one of those pointy-headed heavy metal guitars like a Tregan or whatever Flash Bathory used to play.

way cool jr · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 7:34 pm **Posts:** 6911

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

Plus, I can put a overdrive before a wah or a fuzz after the phaser or whatever, and change the personality/texture/sound of the pedals. Is it possible to change the "order" of the pedals on a multieffect:?: (I'm not challenging you, I just don't know...)...if you can change the order, that makes the ME much more useful.

on rack effects you can, well most of them anyways.
on some you can only turn the effect off which puts it in bypass. i think that might be limited to the oldest ones though now.

Screamin' Armadillo · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:47 am

way cool jr wrote:

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

I guess Way Cool Jr thought you have a Bradshaw board. :?:

um..........nooooooooooooo. :wink:

I thought you brought it up...oh, well, somebody did. :oops:

way cool jr · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 7:34 pm **Posts:** 6911

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

way cool jr wrote:

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

I guess Way Cool Jr thought you have a Bradshaw board. :?:

um..........nooooooooooooo. :wink:

I thought you brought it up...oh, well, somebody did. :oops:

i did, but wanst thinking he personally had one. :wink:

ralfcaetano · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:50 am

no you can't... but that's why i want some new pedals... to control that but the me-70 for me is perfect for all the modulations and delays i need

way cool jr · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 7:34 pm **Posts:** 6911

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

Ceri wrote:

Screamin' Armadillo wrote:

It would take a lot more than defending budget gear for you to lose cred around here!

Oh really? What would it take?

lol have you not read any of my posts? :lol:

Shredd6 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:36 pm

I used to have an ME-50 myself. Some of the effects I actually really liked. The Trem on it is really cool. Delays were nice. I was fine with a lot of the stuff on it.

Here are the problems I had with it. For one, if you wanted to bank up and down, you had to buy separate pedals for that. What a crock. Without them, you would have to bend down and bank by hand. The other problem I had was accidentally hitting the tuner function. There wasn't even a 1-second hold for the function to switch on. So in a flash, if you happen to hit the 2-buttons on accident, all of your sound suddenly cut all the way out. It's one thing to tap dance, it's another to tap dance on egg shells. If you have big feet, forget about it. Not cool at all. I eventually sold it and went all individual.

So my reasons for not really getting into the Boss ME was for it's functionality issues, not so much the sounds.

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