I wrote that...the 'other Tim' lol.

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I know that was strange. It said I wrote it. It just got its Tim,s mixed up.

Gar you obviously have no experience of the British police force. Mobile ticket machines/revenue collectors. 90% atleast do their job for the ridiculous wage their paid, not the public good. Infact I think it's very naive to think that anyone works solely for the good of the community in this day and age. If so take the wage off em and see if they still do the job.

A common bone of contention for older officers is that new recruits are trained to be mindless automatons. Not use the common sense they were born with. Resulting in rather than a system of community supporting law enforcement. A group of bullying thugs incapable of thought. That go to pieces when presented with a slightly threatening situation.

You've obviously never seen that. Don't tell me I'm ignorant because I have regularly seen it for the last twenty years. That's just stupid and thoughtless.

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As a Brit, I see exactly where Nikininja is coming from.

You have to remember the difference between police in the UK and USA is really quite indescribable.

Our forces have only been using sprays for the last ten years and tasers for about three. I can vouch for the comment on what the force is comprised of. I applied to join the police when I was 18, 15 years ago, and was told to go and 'get a bit of life experience'. I did, started a family, worked for a bit and then went and got a degree in Theology and applied again about 3 years ago and was blatantly told that my degree went against me because I would probably question things more and maybe hesitate.......hey maybe they are right but common sense in the UK left a long time ago and although we are starting to get used to seeing armed officers, the police don't appear to have any control over how these weapons are used and any civil unrest ALWAYS seems to end up in police violence..............

Anyways that's my little opinion. Oh one of my jobs was working in Special Education and don't get me started on, 'how can an 8 year old pose a threat........' again common sense does not prevail anymore and these kids know their rights better than any lawyer....I guarantee you!!!!

(that'll be the touch paper lit now!!!!!!!)

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And I proudly lack a stick or a kazoo up my arse...........

ok so what should the cops have used on these kids had they caught them in the middle of the act?


http://panachereport.com/channels/more% ... killer.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6287379&page=1

http://www.bloggernews.net/118624

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rders.html

http://www.yidio.com/7-year-old-killer- ... /146361056

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 874657.ece

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Man, you have some seriously macabre interests.

Of all the things to ask your fellow forumites, you want know how the authorities should deal with child murders... Humm, not nice.

What a grim thread.

Andy

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sorry you dont approve of my thread andy.
but this is a growing scenario in my area. my g.friends mom and dad, both being retired engineers have now dedicated their time to teaching. that being said this is a common
question in this family, (way out of control children in the school systems and teachers not having any way to deal with it) "what if" type question. which at the rate things are going it will be a "when" question. kids at that age bringing knives and guns to school is not uncommon any more over here.
so instead of coming on and trying to lightly kick me in the nuts you should have read the whole post.
it started off with a headline of a kid being sprayed with peper spray,
some posts for some post against. then there were a couple posts about "how much harm can a 8yr old do" or something to that effect. so i put up several posts showing what harm an 8yr old CAN be.
then we ended up right here with you making judgement on me.
so on topic, do you have anything to add or what?

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Well look to England to see the damage a eight year old can do. Not pleasant at all. There was a case in the early 90's of the intentional horrific murder of a four year old by a couple of kids aged eight.
Said perpetrators were imprisoned in youth offenders detention centers. Given brand new identities when they were released. Later one was found to have a interest in obscene images of children.

Not pleasant at all. The English penal and legal systems completely failed the public.
But what can you do, you can't account for a monster. Theres always a bigger one just round the corner.
I for one don't believe in capital punishment. I think it's nothing more than a act of vengence that doesn't work. The states with the lowest violent crime rates are the ones without the death penalty. MI, WI and Rhode Island.

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niki

one of the links above was about what you just stated.
yes they do have lower crime rates in those cities, but over all, they are stiffer on criminals that most of the other states too it seems.
most of these criminals start off their "careers" in childhood.
when i was their age you just didnt hear of children doing things like this.
we were scared to death to talk back to a teacher muchless do the things the opening post link kid did. it didnt happen. i wonder what has changed over the yrs?

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

The blame for unruly children rests solely on the shoulders of the parents.

You have to get a license to own a TV here. Any idiot can breed though. It ought be monitored better at least.

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you must be kidding? for what reason is that? how does it work?

i believe you are correct for the most part about the parents being to blame.
over the yrs ive seen parents become slack about what they expect out of their children.
however, growning up, i knew a brother and sister that had some demanding parents.
looking back, the parents were right on course with caring quality parents. no matter what they did the brother and sister were just bad kids. mean as snakes bro, for no reason that we ever knew anyways.

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

It's a lisence to own equiptment that will send or receive radio signal. It funds the BBC.

Kind of silly now all the TV reception is digital here.

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I read the whole post before I commented and its is without doubt a macabre subject and has no place being seriously discussed on the Fender Forums.

The thread title gives no indication of content for those of us who would rather avoid the subject of a violent 8 year old being sprayed with mace. I've worked in Education for 14 years and have had first hand experience of how the UK police deal with violence in schools. Its not nice, and I wouldn't expect to be reminded of those unpleasant situations on a guitar related forum.

You then take it a step further and ask for opinions on how the police should have dealt with some of the most horrific and tragic murder cases. Now that really is a grim subject.

If you really must have the opinions of forum users regarding such unpleasant subjects at least post an honest thread title.

I'm done here. Moving on --->

Andy

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well andy,

if you infact did read the whole post even after you clicked the link at the very beginging and saw the title of the video, you yourself chose to do so on your own.
its like everything else, if you dont like it CHANGE THE CHANNEL. thats your right.
dont make yourself a part of something that you want nothing to do with.
as a matter of fact, the discussion was going along just fine with valid opinions on both sides actually until this point. i really hope it will continue to do so after this poiint.
the point of the multi links above was not exactly the way your taking it. it was to
show what a child that age is capable of because several seem to think they can cause no harm at all, since they are only 8. some even suggested that the teachers should have just scooped up the "incapable 8 yr old" and put an end to the situation.
its really a shame that you came in on the conversation the way you did, because with 14 yrs experience in the school systems of a different country than my own, you could have really added something to this post from experience and not just opinion, but at this point it wouldnt matter any ways.

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Way Cool - do you honestly state that the above is sufficiently explanatory as to what the link contains? Seriously, I think Andy has a point here. And as to "everything was going fine": No it was not. I too objected - remember?

Nutter