ok guys heres the deal.
im gathering info on my up and coming guitar build.
do to situations im gonna have to buy this stuff 1 piece at a time as
money allows. im building a guitar and using the neck i just got. (HW1)
i want to know what trem i should use and why? a 2 point or a 6 point?
whats the pro/cons of each? when i buy my body its of course gonna be precut for
the trem i pick. im gonna be looking for a nice red body, maybe nitro.
i'll poll that one when the time comes lol.
ok so which trem and from what yr? or, should i go for a callham setup?

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Personally, I don't think there's much of a difference between the 2 and 6 point Fenders. Further, properly set and set up, they both do their job most adequately and as far as 'traditional' tonality goes one to the other, I don't hear any differences worth mentioning. As to Callaham's stuff, I feel they are GROSSLY overpriced and even IF they are superior to either of Fender's OEM stuff, here again on a solid body guitar, a tweak of the amp compensates.

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You dig?

hey martian how are you?

ok ive heard arguments for what you just mentioned and of course against.
remember im looking for function and tuning stability too here.
in hearing the same thing you just mentioned, thats what i built this post off of.
just trying to get it down to the nitty gritty ya know. whould love to make it a hard tail but finding the body i want is gonna be tough. i would probably have to go warmoth
when i planned on going ebay lol.

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Tuning stability, the vintage sync wins every time.
Once them tremposts/knife edges start to wear on a 2 point, forget it. Throw it in the bin.

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No no and no

i knew you were gonna say that niki.
so your for the 6 point. what yr do ya think for this turd?

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Doesn't matter, not like the real trem has changed much since 1954.
BTW as much as I detest Callaham, their trem arm to block fitting is superb.

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No no and no

is that a seperate piece niki? ive been on their site the last few minutes and havent seen it.

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

No it's just the trem design. How the arm fits onto the thing. Not sure it's worth their price, but it is the one provable good point about the trem. The rest of it is largely just their sales hype.

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No no and no

hype sells product niki, we know this.
thing is, as a consumer we need to educate ourselves and
do research on products before we jump.

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Maybe you know this--
-make the bridge the last thing you do in the build.- that's the aligning and drilling and clearences etc.-

I bought a body that some guy had drilled holes for the bridge in , and they were slightly off leaving the high E too close to the edge of the fretboard. ( of course he didn't mention that). It needed to be doweled and re-drilled correctly.

Cost me $100 bucks for the repair guy to do. He got it right but I still ended up spending too much building my red laquer Strat.-----in fact--- I've always spent too much building guitars- basses and six strings. The 6 strings came out sounding better than the basses. I've sold all the basses I built and lost money doing that. Too much money!!

I think if just your average guy (like me) builds a guitar and spends 1100- 1500 doing it. You'll be lucky to get 500 should you try to sell it. That's been my experiance.

I'm not discouraging you or telling you not to build your killer axe.. More power to you! It's fun and always a learning experiance. I'm only saying there is a price to pay for the education sometimes.

im with you on this. thing is, i hardly ever sell anything related to my gear.
im not buying just any body, im looking for a predrilled fender body or a warmoth body.
no mighty mite or any of that other crap.
if i go new its warmoth. if i go used its gonna be a fender HW1 or something
that somebody is parting out off ebay. i normally find killer deals on stuff because im patient and look hard for the stuff i need, so im not to worried about the cost on this one. if i set out and build a partscaster its because im looking for something that the market isnt offering at the time or because i have enough parts setting around to do so.
ive always used floyds so this is something different for me. it will take me a while to build it as i said, im patient for the right stuff at the right price.

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

I'm doing fine, thanks for asking!

As I eluded to, I haven't found the 6 or the 2 better or worse for tuning, function and/or longevity. This is my experience since the 2 point first came out. I will say this though: Neither version is indestructible and either does indeed, wear down in it's own way. Obviously, others have had different experiences where of course, their opinions and experiences are equally valid.

On a semi-related matter and again, based on my experience, I don't think you're going to find a lot of premium hard tail bodies floating around out there. If it were me, I'd be zeroed in on Warmoth already.

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You dig?

ive never owned a hard tail martian, so im curious.
poeople that have them swear by them. ive never had the pleasure.
ive see niki's point on the knife edges wearing down. ive never thought of that before until months back he mentioned that. thinking back, i bet that was a cause of some of the problems ive had in the past when i just replaced whole tremolo systems.
it makes sense. i hardly use the tremolo any more though lol. im up in the air on a lot of this still as you see. but i guess we are all at this point somewhere in our builds huh?

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63supro
"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."

Way cool, you mentioned the hard tail, is that your prefference? or do you want the trem there for the incase of thing.

at this point it can go either way. im very early in the planning at this point.
why do you ask?

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"The good thing is in a club situation, most of the patrons are trashed and really can't tell the difference."