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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:01 pm
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I find it very disturbing that when dealing with despots such as Khadafi and Mugabe the countries that can do anything about it will sit on their hands and pay lip service to the disturbances unless they have a vested interest such as oil,minerals etc.The time is long overdue that they stop picking and choosing their battles and all make a concerted effort to rid the world of these dictators for it is the actions of these megalomaniacs that has plunged these countries into the third world while they and their henchmen live in almost unimaginable luxury.

The more powerful countries of the United Nations should in the interest of the human condition systematically single out these despots for removal until the vermin are completely irradicated and make it impossible for other likeminded opportunists to gain a foothold.Until then we will never know true peace and these countries will never see prosparity. Having said that though it's very unlikely that will happen because greed is fundamentally what drives all sides.There are forces and people in this world that can make this happen but sadly their priorities are out of order.

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:40 pm
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As an interesting point, it's just been revealed that Britain had the HMS Triumph (a pretty well kitted out submarine) submerged off the Libyan coast for the last week "just in case s*** went down".

I am reminded of our friend Mr. Hendrix - "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace"


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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:45 pm
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I find it very disturbing that when dealing with despots such as Khadafi and Mugabe the countries that can do anything about it will sit on their hands and pay lip service to the disturbances unless they have a vested interest such as oil,minerals etc.The time is long overdue that they stop picking and choosing their battles and all make a concerted effort to rid the world of these dictators for it is the actions of these megalomaniacs that has plunged these countries into the third world while they and their henchmen live in almost unimaginable luxury


You see the thing is the , the only real political voice of the "free" world or at least as free as anyone on the planet can be, born after the atrocities of the second world war was envisaged as such a mechanism to combat these despots BUT to fund the operations and remove these types from the world is immensley difficult.

There are as we speak people in Iran that deny the holocaust. How sad that people use the deaths of millions of others to further there own twisted ideology.
Everyone has an agenda, me i wouldnt trust anything our own politicians say and ours is laughingly called a democracy. (better than Ghadaffis tho)

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:46 pm
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It's funny how it is that many musicians know how to fix the world's problems while those that are supposed to don't know diddley squat.

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:52 pm
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United Nations...Now if ever there was a contradiction in terminology, Wikipedia would run out of memory in it's definition.
The big boys in the playroom are always going to leverage the smaller one's because (1) They can and (2) They think they should.
That explains why the U.N. is such a complex dance in acheiving a common direction towards a viable purpose to all or at least the majority.
But I prefer that the U.N. is the deciding body either way instead of going back to our wunderkid method from the big W and just recklessly pushing a severely flawed agenda.

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:00 pm
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guitslinger wrote:
It's funny how it is that many musicians know how to fix the world's problems while those that are supposed to don't know diddley squat.


I wouldn't go that far, these petri dish issues have taken decades and even centuries to grow and fester, as we arereally on the outside looking in, what to us seems obvious is fraught with peril.
IN this case of Libya, there are no nice solutions where everyone gets to go home and have a nice meal, it's ugly, it's been in the works for decades and the chikens are coming home to roost.

For myself, there isn't enough money in the world to want to be in President Obama's shoes or for that matter secretary Clinton.
Imagine how difficult her job is when you consider that in many parts of Africa and the Middle East, women are considered second class citizen's and should be seen ( or even not seen ) and not heard.
That takes some serious self confidence to walk that road. 8)

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:01 pm
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guitslinger wrote:
It's funny how it is that many musicians know how to fix the world's problems while those that are supposed to don't know diddley squat.



lol thats the woulda, coulda, shoulda, in play.
kinda like watching a ball game and after the play is over you always hear some guy go
"man i would have ran the ball over this way and shot right up the middle yadda yadda yadda" or when watching boxing " i woulda ducked bobbed and weaved and threw a....."
its easy to say what we would do until we are actually there smack dab in the middle of it.

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:03 pm
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Take 5 minutes to listen to this State Rep. I think this puts the whole context into perspective according to international laws. (all feelings aside) http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1060.html 8)


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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:25 pm
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way cool jr wrote:
you and i dont always see eye to eye


What do you mean..... :?: :shock: .. I have my webcam on... :lol:
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yeah didnt we give them the big heads up a week before we hit the beach after 9/11 ?
i think we did. "3....2.....1..... ready or not here we come".
been playing hide and seek with the bad guys every since.


That worked out real well didn't it... :roll: :?:
Recalling history that 9-11 scenario started long before 9-11, back with the (then) Soviet Union and the Kurds. Ironically even back then, Osama Bin Laden was a Bete Noir ( Persona Non Grata, Black Sheep ) as far as his family was concerned, had already been sanctioned or disowned by most of his family and the advice therefore was " To Not " engage in relations with him...
As they say if you sleep with rabid dogs.... :?:

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:27 pm
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Marvin65 wrote:
Take 5 minutes to listen to this State Rep. I think this puts the whole context into perspective according to international laws. (all feelings aside) http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1060.html 8)



thank you for posting this. i think hes spot on.
true that we are smearing ourselves to thin in wars. the thinner we are the weaker each team is. we are opening ourselves up to weaker homeland defense.
he really hits the nail on the head at 3:20-3:40.
these wars are keeping our economy in the shi tter.

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:31 pm
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[quote="53magnatone"]What do you mean..... :?: :shock: .. I have my webcam on... :lol:
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no wonder i felt strangely violated. :lol: :P :lol: youve been watching me.
now i gotta figure out if ive done anything i might be ashamed of in the last little bit. :lol: :lol: :lol:

ITS ALL LIES I SWEAR IT, I DID NOT..............

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:37 pm
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way cool jr wrote:
53magnatone wrote:
What do you mean..... :?: :shock: .. I have my webcam on... :lol:
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no wonder i felt strangely violated. :lol: :P :lol: youve been watching me.
now i gotta figure out if ive done anything i might be ashamed of in the last little bit. :lol: :lol: :lol:

ITS ALL LIES I SWEAR IT, I DID NOT..............


How did that song Go... :?:

I always feel like...Somebody's watching me....

Ohh... I have to put on the Divinyls to get that out of my brain tape loop... :lol:

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:42 pm
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lol amen to that.

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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 5:55 pm
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way cool jr wrote:
Marvin65 wrote:
Take 5 minutes to listen to this State Rep. I think this puts the whole context into perspective according to international laws. (all feelings aside) http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/1060.html 8)



thank you for posting this. i think hes spot on.
true that we are smearing ourselves to thin in wars. the thinner we are the weaker each team is. we are opening ourselves up to weaker homeland defense.
he really hits the nail on the head at 3:20-3:40.
these wars are keeping our economy in the shi tter.

Yes, I agree about the troops part, But they have nothing to do with our economy taking a huge dip the past 50 years. That has been caused by our own corporate greed and shady trade deals with other countries. Take a look at this video, it is a little longer, but very informative. You will never see this report on CNN, Fox, BBC, or PBS. Because all those networks spread propaganda in the Flavor of the day. Baskin Robbins Newsreports. This is much closer to the truth. Peace! 8) http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/124.html


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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:26 pm
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Ok, maybe Im a little uneducated on this, but I'm a little confused.. someone enlighten me on this please :? but before we get into it, I'm wanting intelligent conversation and debate- I dont want this topic going down the toilet here folks :)

I understand there has been an uprising in Libya, and there has been fighting between Kadafi sympathisers and Libyan rebels..

As far as I can see, the rebels are pretty well equipped compared to other rebel groups in the world- they have already shot down fighter-jets, and they have numerous tanks, weapons and artillery.

As the UN passed resolution 1973 and Ghadafi imposed a ceasefire on the rebels... problem solved I thought! :o But at what point was the desicion made to impose a no-fly zone and launch a missle, air-attack & naval assault on the country!?? What is so special about Libya compared to all the other countries in the same boat> ie- why has there been no assault on Mugabe for example? I can seen many civilians are going to be killed during this.. I dont feel good about this at all.

Whats with all these uprisings in the east all of the sudden and people over-throwing governments- is there something behind the scenes driving these? Also, I feel sad that military resources arent being commited to the Japan devastations and searching for the many thousands that are presumed missing or dead, yet they are launching assaults? I see the Japanese people could do with naval helicopters military aid and rescue efforts- it just blows me away that there is more effort focused towards Libya..

Again, political but please keep this discussion above the belt here folks..



A lesson in Geography not Politics.

First off, Kadafi's army has better soldiers and equipment than the rebels. Because of his style of dictatorship, he needs to have his most trusted people around him in case of coupe, which is happening as we speak. In addition, unlike the USA where the military is spread out balanced to the geopolitical areas of the world because the US government fears not takeover from within. Also, Kadafi only deals with the country of Libya, such that he keeps his best military surplus, soldiers and most loyal followers around him, and not around the country of Libya. As a result, he has the ability to destroy any opposition from within. The reason we did not see him going on the warpath from day one is he needed to regroup and to show the world he is the victim. But since the world did not see him as a victim, and the opposition rebels were getting close. He had no other choice to utilize his highest caliber warriors to push back violently. And that is what we are seeing today. Now that he had time to think, plan and organize, it is likely he will try to take back Libya.

The other factor the world fears is, that the Arab world, will dominate the political-economical landscape of that region of the world. Hence, with the old puppets or heads of State now gone or being ousted, countries such at Europe, China, US, and South America will have to deal with many new leaders who may unify and have different opinions of how they want to trade, organize, and militarize with the rest of the world. The non-Arab countries in the region are most threatened because they have no good old boy network to bargain with like they did. One might say that Democracy is a good thing (good for the people), but it could be a bad thing (bad for the status quo).

As for Japan, they will overcome the disasters and the challenges before them. If history has shown us, the Japanese will, within their emergence and rebuilding, bring with them new innovations and technologies for the rest of the world to prosper in. I wouldn’t doubt if investors will be shifting funds towards a new old emerging market “Japan”



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