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Post subject: Re: it would seem that my "band" isn't working...
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:45 pm
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Maybe if you listen to lots of the kind of music he likes, and vice-versa, you could find some common ground.

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Post subject: Re: it would seem that my "band" isn't working...
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 3:39 pm
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radio_friendly_unit_shifter wrote:
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There's some good points about songwriters that only write for themselves and only to their strengths, but what about songwriters like Leon Russell, Kris Kristofferson, and Carole King, they that can write any style for any performer.

Or Joe Walsh, Joe Satriani, John 5, Eric Clapton, and those artists that write very different when collaborating than when alone.

Try not to limit yourself, quite the opposite, RAISE THE BAR! Put "Your Songs" in a folder for yourself and start writing music for the group. If you can't write a decent collaborative song, TRY AGAIN!

Find your limits, but don't impose them on yourself.
Good Luck with the group :)


Writing to your strengths isn't limiting yourself, it's developing what's already there...especially when you're starting out as a songwriter.

Your examples of Walsh, Satriani, Lowery (5's real name), Clapton, etc. writing differently when collaborating is true; however, those guys collaborate with people who respect their individual style, strengths and abilities. It seems Riley has saddled up with a guy who doesn't respect what he's writing.

The idea of compromising (especially if it makes you "raise the bar" musically) is what most of us here have suggested...but Riley's drummer seems like he won't compromise or collaborate. He just wants Riley to write/play stuff he either doesn't want to write or doesn't have the "feel" for writing.

TexasGuitarSlinger's example is very telling; yes, the people in her band all have different styles, but they respect one another. Without that respect, you have a band that bickers, fights and ultimately breaks up.

I also think that you're forgetting that Russell, Kristofferson and King (all heroes of mine) had to start somewhere. They didn't come out of the womb writing the masterpieces we all know and love. I think Riley's still a jr. high student, and while he might be focusing on a particular genre right now, through growth (as a songwriter and as a person) and collaboration (with people who are respectful and willing to compromise), he'll do fine.

Riley's too determined to succeed...that's why he won't fail.

yeah he's not willing to compromise a bit, he claims he already has, but he hasn't really. i think we'll end up in a fight sooner or later....

ps; i'm just in high school, i think the education system is different here and over there 8)

pps; all your responses have been some really good advice. thank you 8)


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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:10 pm
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ok look riley, mix it up a bit. give the kid what he wants. give him two good and fast, heavy songs. get him to the point he NEEDS you. then tell him he has to do two of your songs. better yet do it the old metallica way, write songs with both feels to them.
example is sanitarium, any many of their earlier tunes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WElvEZj0Ltw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzgGTTtR ... re=related

its gonna be a give and take no matter where you go or what you do in a band situation riley. thats a fact that nobody on here can dispute. if they try then they have never lived the life i promise you. jump on the train and ride it as far as it will take you then get off at the next stop and then catch another one and keep moving.

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Post subject: Re: it would seem that my "band" isn't working...
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:03 pm
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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
FirstMeasure wrote:
There's some good points about songwriters that only write for themselves and only to their strengths, but what about songwriters like Leon Russell, Kris Kristofferson, and Carole King, they that can write any style for any performer.

Or Joe Walsh, Joe Satriani, John 5, Eric Clapton, and those artists that write very different when collaborating than when alone.

Try not to limit yourself, quite the opposite, RAISE THE BAR! Put "Your Songs" in a folder for yourself and start writing music for the group. If you can't write a decent collaborative song, TRY AGAIN!

Find your limits, but don't impose them on yourself.

Good Luck with the group :)


Writing to your strengths isn't limiting yourself, it's developing what's already there...especially when you're starting out as a songwriter.

Your examples of Walsh, Satriani, Lowery (5's real name), Clapton, etc. writing differently when collaborating is true; however, those guys collaborate with people who respect their individual style, strengths and abilities. It seems Riley has saddled up with a guy who doesn't respect what he's writing.

The idea of compromising (especially if it makes you "raise the bar" musically) is what most of us here have suggested...but Riley's drummer seems like he won't compromise or collaborate. He just wants Riley to write/play stuff he either doesn't want to write or doesn't have the "feel" for writing.

TexasGuitarSlinger's example is very telling; yes, the people in her band all have different styles, but they respect one another. Without that respect, you have a band that bickers, fights and ultimately breaks up.

I also think that you're forgetting that Russell, Kristofferson and King (all heroes of mine) had to start somewhere. They didn't come out of the womb writing the masterpieces we all know and love. I think Riley's still a jr. high student, and while he might be focusing on a particular genre right now, through growth (as a songwriter and as a person) and collaboration (with people who are respectful and willing to compromise), he'll do fine.

Riley's too determined to succeed...that's why he won't fail.

If your band isn't cooperating then all the advice in the world about Writing is moot.

Get out of the bad situation, period.

My advice about writing wasn't necessarily specific to this project, brutal honesty would say Riley's High School "Band" is going to dissolve, the drummer will get the chicks he's after, sell his kit, and remember the good old days of High School. Meanwhile Riley will be into his Third or Fourth project trying to get his Bass Player sober enough to go on stage.

When I say "Raise The Bar", I mean "Raise Your Own Bar". Don't set limits like "I only write simple stuff", or "I only write progressive metal" (specially when your young and starting out). Find your limits. If you're a Blues Guy try to write a Prog Metal tune.If you're a metal head, try to write a Blues Shuffle or Folk Tune. If you absolutely can't, you've found your limit. If you can, you've expanded your boundaries. Even if you prefer to write simple folk tunes, it's comforting to know that you do it because you love it, not because you're limited to it.

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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:19 pm
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Unless he's the only guitar player you know of or can easily find within a 1 hours drive, leave.

Life's too short to put up with folks who want you to conform to them.

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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 6:52 pm
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Hi Riley tell your friend that you can't write what you don't feel.If you can't write metal don't sweat it and tell your friend to simmer down-if it ain't in you it can't or won't come out.I wouldn't be able to write metal and just write rock but I wouldn't put up with someone trying to dictate what it write.

Tell your friend that you appreciate where he's coming from but the fact is that musically your both on different wave lengths and you can only write what you feel. I doubt very much if Ringo Starr told John Lennon or Paul McCartney what to write.If your friend is so metal oriented let him write his own stuff and if he can't or doesn't write he has no business giving you grief because you don't write it.Music is something you feel not something that you can turn on to flow like a tap in whatever genre you choose.

Maybe it's time you gave it a little break and just sat back and rethought you direction as a group in a sensible and non adversarial manner jusst to clear the air and show your friend these posts too.

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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:51 pm
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Hey Riley,at least you can write songs.
In 44 years I've only written and completed one song,and it's in a range that I can't sing in....other guys have sung it and it sounded pretty good,but it will probably never make me a star. :lol:


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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:58 pm
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your a star in our book bro. :wink:

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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:23 pm
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Awesome thread so interesting to read, such experience here!!,

I will chime in young man and say until you get older and can go live in Melbz and advertise to get in whatever musical niece would be most agreeable to your feelings and whilst your in rural Vicco and young just use it as a way to expand your musical knowledge. It's like believe me you will pull heaps of new technique off this guy playing outside your comfort Zone and you will take that with you and build on your style with new technique and you will only grow your own style out of the ordeal. Country towns don't leave people with city options when finding other musicians likeminded so just learn from it and as you get out of school and working it might be time to look toward the Melbz music Scene. The experience your are going through WILL make you a better musician!!!

And as you would expect from me on a more light hearted note....If all else fails!!.....Start a duet with the new cute girl in stage band!!!! :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol:

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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:43 pm
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Awesome thread so interesting to read, such experience here!!,

I will chime in young man and say until you get older and can go live in Melbz and advertise to get in whatever musical niece would be most agreeable to your feelings and whilst your in rural Vicco and young just use it as a way to expand your musical knowledge. It's like believe me you will pull heaps of new technique off this guy playing outside your comfort Zone and you will take that with you and build on your style with new technique and you will only grow your own style out of the ordeal. Country towns don't leave people with city options when finding other musicians likeminded so just learn from it and as you get out of school and working it might be time to look toward the Melbz music Scene. The experience your are going through WILL make you a better musician!!!

And as you would expect from me on a more light hearted note....If all else fails!!.....Start a duet with the new cute girl in stage band!!!! :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol:

appreciate your advice but theres no way i am living in melbourne! :lol: to many bad memories there. :? but i get where your coming from, find a place with a good music vibe going on 8) probably gonna go check out the music scene in albury, heard they have a few local bands that i'd like


:lol: your not gonna let me forget about that are you? :lol:

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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:56 pm
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radio_friendly_unit_shifter wrote:
ozrv wrote:
Awesome thread so interesting to read, such experience here!!,

I will chime in young man and say until you get older and can go live in Melbz and advertise to get in whatever musical niece would be most agreeable to your feelings and whilst your in rural Vicco and young just use it as a way to expand your musical knowledge. It's like believe me you will pull heaps of new technique off this guy playing outside your comfort Zone and you will take that with you and build on your style with new technique and you will only grow your own style out of the ordeal. Country towns don't leave people with city options when finding other musicians likeminded so just learn from it and as you get out of school and working it might be time to look toward the Melbz music Scene. The experience your are going through WILL make you a better musician!!!

And as you would expect from me on a more light hearted note....If all else fails!!.....Start a duet with the new cute girl in stage band!!!! :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol:

appreciate your advice but theres no way i am living in melbourne! :lol: to many bad memories there. :? but i get where your coming from, find a place with a good music vibe going on 8) probably gonna go check out the music scene in albury, heard they have a few local bands that i'd like


:lol: your not gonna let me forget about that are you? :lol:


Fair enough....Albury Wadonga is a lot bigger there now a days huh!!! there you go!!!! You'll find your nieche there!!!!

And :lol: Of course not it's fun mate :lol: !!! :P

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your a star in our book bro. :wink:

Oh man this post is going to turn into another Rebelsoul and way cool jr. love/fan fest isn't it. :wink: :lol:

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thats just wrong and in so many ways. :lol:

ok so as the title suggests, the band isnt working. what do the rest of the members think about the creative differences between you and the other guitar player? what are their thoughts on this?

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your a star in our book bro. :wink:

Oh man this post is going to turn into another Rebelsoul and way cool jr. love/fan fest isn't it. :wink: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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man rebel we cant win for losing ya know. :lol:

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